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golinux

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## systemd

Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:49 pm

There is currently a lot of chatter about systemd. I searched this forum and saw that you experimented with it in May 2011. Do you or dzz (or anyone else) have any opinions about the change? Or are you just going with the inevitable flow. How is it working on the refracta testing build? It won't make much difference to me if it works and doesn't otherwise compromise Debian (and it's derivatives).
nadir

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## Re: systemd

Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:57 pm

I ran into different init systems a while ago and asked at debianuserforums. I didn't read the thread and don't know if it makes anything clearer:
http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtop ... =56&t=2416
I also installed systemd on my kitchen PC. I for one see no difference (it boots very fast, but else i see no change). There might be a difference if you fiddle with such all the time. I don't.
I think you can just install it and edit etc/default/grub and tell it to use systemd. What to insert exactly? I don't know. I would need to boot my kitchen-PC (it wasn't hard to find out).
It seems you asked rather bout the path refracta will take. I don't know (obviously) and, like said, to me it doesn't matter much (i got no hard feelings pro or contra one init system or the other).
fsmithred

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## Re: systemd

Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:05 pm

Yeah, I made a bootable snapshot that could boot with sysV or systemd. Haven't done anything with it since, and I probably won't. Last I heard, it had not been decided whether debian would move to systemd or upstart. Until that's decided, I'll use what I know.
thwak

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## Re: systemd

Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:07 pm

Here are some video presentations which have influenced my outlook regarding the prospect of using a systemd-centric pc:
Fedora/systemd on lxc status
Oct 2013, 15 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLj5nvqU86I
All Your Control Groups Are Belong To Us! - Lennart Poettering
Oct 2013, 55min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSG4jW187Is
Lennart Poettering - systemd as the Core OS
Dec 2012, 64 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2aa34Uzr3c
[Arch] Change to Systemd 2/4/2013 + Small rant
Feb 2013, (jump to 1:10sec mark) ~10minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBrbS5f8rnM
Debian systemd liason
"Your problem, not ours... i think that's a reasonable compromise... that's all I can say, sorry"
WTF? I replayed, re-listened to his response several times
jump to 22minute mark (listen up to at least 24:00 mark)
-=-
@28:30 "How hard to install and tryout systemd?"
zero friction. After installing, add init=/bin/systemd to kernel cmdline in grub,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvy0e9kbAos
kdbus (libsystemd-bus) D-Bus in the kernel
Jan 2014, jump to @27:00mark "within 1yr or so... basically it's going to be kdbus and {inaudible} that's all"
@44:00 "dbus proxy... but it only exists for compatibility and it'll probably be going away soon"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgR6d54blrU
takeaway:
After spending several hours engaged in "learning" about systemd's benefits, and implications, I _STILL_ haven't formed a firm opinion regarding whether I'd welcome, or loathe, its presence on my desktop pc. Near-term, nspawn and LXC (under systemd) seems like a reasonable track for server computing.
For desktop computing, I worry that kdbus+systemd+GTK3 will subsume (or squeeze out) development of many alternative, freestanding, applications that I use.
golinux

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## Re: systemd

Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:46 pm

Thanks for posting those resources. Will need to find a chunk of time to slog through them . . .
golinux

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## Re: systemd

Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:40 pm

Looks like a decision has been made. Makes me want to puke to hear it from Shuttleworthless.
Richard

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## Re: systemd

Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:00 am

Based on my experience with ManjaroX and systemd,
the only problem I had/have is
failure of an installed systemd to boot
after formatting another partition,
such as, installing another distro.
The first post covers the summary:
http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=9865.0
Now that I know how to fix it,
it's just a nuisance.
Other than that, systemd seems to live up to the hype,
for me, anyway.
nadir

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## Re: systemd

Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:26 am

Got to say that suddenly systemd scares me. The reason is that i don't know what it's all about, and how to do things (all i do right now is "service start" or stop, and i will probably never do more).
I can't figure out which init system i am running (well: i should run sysv, but i'd like to know a command which tells me).
ps ax | grep systemd gives me systemd-login, **** knows what that is. The manpage is beyond me (not that i would be a pro in reading docu). All the debian wiki tells me is that it is great:
I'd feel much more comfortable if i had a - big - community were i feel well (Wherei can read posts which discuss problems or ways to do things). But then i think i still got time.
What did i want to say? Simple: There are other people who are not that sure what will come. I guess in the end it will work nice and easy (just like i am used to grub2 now).
I hope it made sense, at least a bit.
golinux

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## Re: systemd

Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:20 am

Change is usually stressful. I don't like it, especially when something is working quite well as is. By the time I start using Jessie, I'm hoping the kinks will be worked out. Still waiting to hear from fsmithred now that the systemd decision is official.
fsmithred

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## Re: systemd

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:44 pm

If debian is eventually switching to systemd, then I guess so are we. If they push the change through on updates, we'll get it when I update. If they make it voluntary on existing installations and make it the default for new installations, we'll get it some time after that. (When I do it.) Or maybe we'll get it earlier than that if I get ambitious. The only thing you'll probably need to know is what command to use to start and stop services. I think I have that written down somewhere, but I couldn't find it. I looked on my hard drive, but it might be in a spiral-bound notebook.
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