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thwak

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:53 am

What features does "epdfviewer" (available in repo) lack, compared to "evince" ?
The former has few dependencies (substituting it would save about 13Mb on the live iso)
Why "fireflash"? Bleachbit handles same (and much more, including customizable cleanup paths)
The helpfile (shortcut on desktop) might suggest installing "localepurge" and/or bleachbit.
(doing so is certainly advisable at some point prior to creating a snapshot)
On first run, bleachbit's cleanup of the unneeded (for me) localization files freed up 285Mb
(that lightens FIFTEEN THOUSAND cruft files from one's snapshot)
/usr/share/icons
165Mb (20,000 files)
Ouch? (or unavoidable?)
the "gnome" iconset... contains icons for myriad applications not present in the distro.
68Mb worth of files in that iconset.
What if these are significantly pared down, weeded out?
Installing an app will (re)install its app icon, yes?
++ browser contains a good set of starter bookmarks
+ a sample audio file is provided (makes it quick/easy to check sound playback)
- this distro does not cleanup the default xfce menu, leaving confusingly redundant entries under "accessories"
(overlaps reaching same destinations as those provided within "settings manager"
fsmithred

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:00 pm

gtk-theme-config - I installed it from debian repo, and the only choices it gives are selecting the theme and changing the font. Does the version at github do more, and if so, how do I install that one? I would love to have a simple way to tweak the colors in a theme.
epdfview vs. evince - I forget what I didn't like about epdfview. It's been several months since I played with different pdf viewers. Evince shares dependencies with some other things that are installed.
FlashFire - It's simple, it shows what it's deleting, so you (sometimes) get to see which websites are leaving stuff on your computer, and I wrote it, so I know exactly what it does. Bleachbit looks way cool, and I'll probably add it. (Haven't tried localpurge yet.)
gnome-icon-theme - every time I run graphical disk map, I see that huge block, and I want to get rid of it, but brasero, gdebi and evince depend on it. Right now, I'm not going to change those, but I'll consider other options for the future. I'm not sure what happens if some of the icons get deleted, but I can try that on a test install.
redundant menu items - I'm aware of a few, but not in the setting menu. I see synaptic, gparted, time and date, and midnight commander in Accessories and System. I don't notice it, because every linux I've used since 2000 has had redundant listings in the menu. Is it really a problem?
fsmithred

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:15 pm

More thoughts about purging personal data before making a snapshot -
Right now, the excludes file eliminates a lot of sensitive or potentially sensitive data. The user needs to manually edit that file if they want to include or exclude anything different. Should there be a graphical excludes editor in the snapshot tool? Separate excludes files for different purposes? (snapshot_exlcude.list.I_want_to_put_all_my_sensitive_data_on_the_live_system vs. snapshot_exclude.list.I_want_to_give_this_one_away)
I think I prefer empowering the user to make their own choices about what to exclude. Maybe I just need to put more comments in the existing excludes file. Adding some instructions for using bleachbit is a good idea, too, but I don't see it as a replacement for the extensive excludes file. (Example: I don't want to share my ~/.ssh folder, but I also don't want it bleached from my hard drive.) Will have to play with bleachbit and see what it does.
meandean

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:14 pm

> fsmithred wrote:The user needs to manually edit that file if they want to include or exclude anything different.

You provide a tool to create a live image from the system, certainly asking the user to figure out things he needs to exclude isn't too much to ask. You could do a graphical excludes tool to make that more....graphical....but it certainly isn't difficult anyway.
meandean

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:23 pm

> golinux wrote:Geany might be good for some things but a bit too fussy for most of what I do.

never noticed it being....err....fussy
I always found it to be super! It can be as simple looking as gedit or a super complex IDE setup. Less dependencies and about half the memory usage.

> Regardless, that bright blue would drive me nuts.

Yea, the blue is a little bit blazing! It doesn't quite match the blue used on the xfce panel for that theme either. I think that must be a xfce thing as I think it matched fine on lxpanel.

> As would the rounded scrollbars - too Macish.

I am not real picky about scrollbars but find the round ones work fine. I find it offers good contrast and I can clearly see at a glance the scrollbar location whereas some themes just offer a slight shading difference and I sometimes have to double-take to figure out where to grab.
Maybe everyone should go theme hunting to find a favorite theme or two and get fsr to include them.
meandean

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:35 pm

> thwak wrote:GTK Theme Preferences on GitHub
> https://github.com/satya164/gtk-theme-config
> lets you customize the following:
> * selected background color
> * Xfce panel, Gnome panel and Unity panel: background and text color
> * menu background and font color

I think the menu background and font color was all I ever got it to change on XFCE and even then it only seemed to change the gtk3 apps.
But it could of been user error...
golinux

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:42 pm

> meandean wrote:Maybe everyone should go theme hunting to find a favorite theme or two and get fsr to include them.

I have searched far and wide and there is no gtk2/3 compatible theme that really works for me. My Ozone comes close except for one glitch. In the past, I have always created my own themes but it's gotten a little more complicated. One of these days, I'm gonna have to spend some time figuring out exactly how GTK 3 themes are set up. I'd never do it with a gui . . .
meandean

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:57 pm

> thwak wrote:What features does "epdfviewer" (available in repo) lack, compared to "evince" ?
> The former has few dependencies (substituting it would save about 13Mb on the live iso)

Is evince included in refracta? I didn't have it but I may have ripped it out.
As far as dependencies, most of them are probably needed for other applications included in refracta.
As far as features, scrolling and the sidebar thumbnails are two things I can think of.
I believe only evince properly handles fill-in forms.
Not to mention zooming in and out is very laggy in epdf as is rendering of text when doing so.
In fact sometimes I get a blank page in epdf and can never get it to show the pdf contents.
And I find that epdf actually uses more memory.

> the "gnome" iconset...

Pretty much required although might could grab something like mate-icon-theme instead to eliminate some of the dependencies. Of course if those dependencies are needed for other apps then it is moot. And mate-icon-theme isn't exactly tiny either.
But you do need an iconset for most apps not to mention buttons and such.

> - this distro does not cleanup the default xfce menu, leaving confusingly redundant entries under "accessories"
> (overlaps reaching same destinations as those provided within "settings manager"

I only see bulk rename but I have tweaked this install a bit. I don't guess it would hurt to cleanup but doesn't matter to me. Heck, I rip out a bunch of stuff anyway so the menu usually gets slimmed down...
meandean

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:07 pm

> golinux wrote:I have searched far and wide and there is no gtk2/3 compatible theme that really works for me.

I found greybird and stopped bothering as it at least made things look the same even if it isn't exactly ideal.
golinux

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:29 am

> meandean wrote:I found greybird and stopped bothering as it at least made things look the same even if it isn't exactly ideal.

MyOzone is built on greybird and the all have the same glitch. None of them tile the baize background of aisleriot solitaire.
I have looked at the styles and can't pinpoint what's causing it. It sucks because otherwise, I might use this theme.
I like to play solitaire.
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