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## Re: nadir is famous

Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:09 am

> nadir wrote:It bugs me that i am never sure where to put a comma. btw.

I haven't been aware of your commas. I see them frequently on slashdot when they're in the wrong places. You must be doing something right.
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## Re: nadir is a punk-rocker

Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:32 pm

Like this:
If someone is really interested i can try to describe
Or this:
If someone is really interested, i can try to describe
I vote for the comma version, but for me it is worse to have one when it is not correct than to miss one.
I tried to learn it in German, but it really is difficult (for me a sentence starting with an "if" is a sentence starting with an "if", but you can't search such. I would need to know the latin term. Probably "Conditius profactus generalus immensias" Or so. Only if the if is the first word in the sentence, of course. Else it is not generalus immensias, but propolus excludatio.
but it really bugs me.
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## Re: nadir is a TOOL

Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:26 pm

but, it really bugs me?
nadir

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## Re: nadir is famous

Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:49 pm

**** knows how the latin word is, but i am in love with this one:
I just installed it, the debian operating system, on my new computer.
(the part between the two commas, including those). Here i am sure, btw.
Latin guess? Mhhh... insertus supflus explanatus. Perhaps.
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## Re: nadir is famous

Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:30 pm

Correct:

> If someone is really interested, i can try to describe

The part from the "If" to the comma is some kind of clause, but I can't tell you what. Edit: Should be upper case "I".
Something like this might be correct in French. I don't think it is in English. Leave out the "it" and both commas.

> I just installed it, the debian operating system, on my new computer.

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## Re: nadir is famous

Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:50 pm

Defining and Non-defining Relative clauses.
Defining - no comma
Non-defining - needs commas as it adds 'extra' information.
http://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/ ... ve-clauses
Grammar rules are made to be broken, since language is a living dynamic. A language evolves, not just in vocabulary, but in grammar and syntax too.
nadir

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## Re: nadir is famous

Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:44 pm

> fsmithred wrote:Something like this might be correct in French. I don't think it is in English. Leave out the "it" and both commas.

> > I just installed it, the debian operating system, on my new computer.

What.
Wait a bit ....
WHAT?
Are you kidding me?
What a barbaric language you got there. Remove male of female was a start, but now that ?
If evolved to perfection it is an easy way to make a sentence half a page long ... which we, the Germans, love.
But i will not give up on it. I love it. Like i already said. I would if i could. But it's deep inside.
anti: thanks for the info, but i am a lost case. I can't remember the correct names for such.
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## Re: nadir is famous

Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:46 pm

Oh, i think one would do it like this:
"I just installed the Debian operating system.
I installed it on my computer.
"
But, like said, that is not the German way to do it. To us that sounds childish (or naive).
I am serious btw. Even if i make a couple of jokes. I don't know it (not in German, not in English), it bugs me a lot and German is in general very different (long is good, confusing is good; short, plain and clear is bad. Well: as far i can tell).
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## Re: nadir is famous

Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:27 pm

I though for German it would be more like this:
I just installed mycomputerDebianoperatingsystem.
fsmithred

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## Re: nadir is famous

Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:41 pm

> nadir wrote:Oh, i think one would do it like this:
> "I just installed the Debian operating system.
> I installed it on my computer.
> "
> But, like said, that is not the German way to do it. To us that sounds childish (or naive).
> I am serious btw. Even if i make a couple of jokes. I don't know it (not in German, not in English), it bugs me a lot and German is in general very different (long is good, confusing is good; short, plain and clear is bad. Well: as far i can tell).

Sounds a bit childish that way in English, too. You're more likely to see this:
"I just installed the Debian operating system on my computer."
Although, you're even more likely to see, "I just bought an e-machine with Windows8 for $300 at BestBuy." That has nothing to do with grammar.
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