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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:16 am

add this:

Code:
  `xserver-xorg-legacy`

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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:06 pm

The short version:
That didn't work either, the error messages are similar, probably the same.
I removed libsystemd0 and it takes all xorg packages with it.
I set sources to stable and reinstalled xorg.
I set sources to testing and used apt-mark to set all of xorg on hold, with regexes:
apt-mark hold *xorg*
apt-mark hold *xserver*
running dist-upgrade again, libsystemd0 was installed again, so i set it on hold too:
apt-mark hold *libsystemd0*
but to no avail.
I guess it doesn't work that way, at least not in the long run
(it seems to work as far startx is concerned, but not as far libsystemd0 is concerned).
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:11 am

After all that and after installiing the libsystemd-dummy-package iceweasel segfaulted.
I installed midori, and it segfaulted too.
I reinstalled and, first of all, created a minimal snapshot version (for the next reinstallation, upgrades, what not .... ) .
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:03 pm

Here's an ascii live iso. This was made from what used to be jessie-sysv.2 - openbox, spacefm, lxpanel. Upgraded to ascii. It's probably been a couple months since this install has had update/upgrade. Kernel 4.6.
ascii is defaultrelease, ceres is enabled with a pin-priority of 90. Also *systemd* is pinned at -1 (fwiw, lsd0 still got in.)
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/file ... 2_0533.iso
X doesn't work if I boot the iso in qemu. Works fine in vbox.
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:07 pm

Thanks.
Not sure how to put the question, so i will make it short:
Did anyone run devuan-testing sucessfully? Or at least hear of someone doing so? Is it possible at all?
Second question:
Never been much into pinning. But what i don't get: if *systemd* is pinned (i even pinned libsystemd0), shouldn't it be installed at all?
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:53 am

if by successfully, you mean without libsystemd0, no. theyre really not keeping up and theyre focusing on jessie. i can understand the logic, have a working release before you concern yourself with a second goal.
obviously the whole point of ascii is to have a second goal in the works, but prior to their first release? only in a fork does that even make a lot of sense. getting started on dinner while people are still eating breakfast is one thing, but throwing the eggs in to cook with the roast is another.
i ran ascii for several months, it had libsystemd though.
ive given up on it and im running jessie until devuan makes it a release, because even though ive got some things that require the ascii kernel to work, the ascii repos arent very useful.
its probably better than debian+sysvinit-core (that doesnt work anymore, right?) but probably not a lot better than it was a year ago. corrections (very!) welcome, id like to hear some good news about it.
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:05 pm

I made a starter iso for upgrading to testing. Standard system jessie plus icewm, lxterminal, spacefm, leafpad and palemoon. And not a whole lot else. 375mb, amd64. Devuan installer decided for me that I needed contrib and non-free enabled, and it automatically installed a wireless driver. I didn't bother to remove it or change the sources.
Upgrading to ascii has been rough.
- To get xorg installed, you need libsystemd0. A dummy equivs package will not work.
- To get x running, you can't use starx anymore (or I don't know the trick). So you need a display manager. I tried slim, wdm, nodm and lightdm. They all worked. I liked wdm, but it doesn't work with live-config, so I switched back to lightdm.
- For root to run apps from a terminal on the user's desktop, user must run 'xhost +'. (This is a security feature? Is there another way? 'xhost + localhost' didn't do it.)
I'm not going to upload the ascii isos. I might upload the jessie. It's a good starter kit.
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:32 pm

figlfdev : thanks for the infos and the opionins bout the matter. To me it looks like that too, but no one confirmed it in irc channel.
(as far the kernel is concerned: In debian you can easily install the higher kernel from testing or sid without any problems, at least in the past. Pretty much the only package where you won't run into problems in the long run - the same one is available in the backports too, so ... ).
fsmithred: I am a bit tired of reinstalling .... Yesterday i tried to get Virtualbox running in Slackware. Installation went fine, but as soon i start a VM it doesn't work - devuan crashes immediatly, refracta from above boots, but then hangs ). Haven't made up my mind how to go on yet.
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:10 pm

> nadir wrote:figlfdev : thanks for the infos and the opionins bout the matter. To me it looks like that too, but no one confirmed it in irc channel.

its an honor.

> (as far the kernel is concerned: In debian you can easily install the higher kernel from testing or sid without any problems, at least in the past.

ive thought about this-- part of me thinks "wait for ascii," and another says "for now, at least."
fsmithred: sounds to me like you need to try xorg-legacy or whatever its called.
i dont know why everything needs to be renamed and deprecated and coddled extra nice just to have a PODS (plain old debian system) though ive got two guesses... (theyve recently merged) nonetheless, xorg-legacy looks like the new xorg.
wait i mean the old xorg...
ah, whatever. im probably happy to use whatever xorg you choose to use, but im working under the assumption you want the one that has changed the least, based on your post. as to whether ive tried it, i will give the standard reply for things regarding ascii:
"i think so?" give it a try-- maybe you lose an hour, or maybe it saves you several. up to you, of course.
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## Re: refracta or devuan or based isos

Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:17 am

xorg-legacy was installed. The upgrade was nightmarish, the iso was nearly twice as large, and memory usage on the desktop increased by half. I may try again later, upgrade with no-x, then install xorg-legacy first, and see what it pulls in. Meanwhile, I'm using the jessie-icewm for polishing refractasnapshot with uefi.
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