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## An abrupt End to Debian Live

Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:00 am

For anyone who doesn't read debian-live mail lists:
https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/
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## Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:52 am

How will that impact refractasnapshot/installer?
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## Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:19 pm

> golinux wrote:How will that impact refractasnapshot/installer?

If the debian-live project gets fully replaced, we would need to learn the new system and either adapt the current scripts to work with it or write new scripts. Let's see what happens. I don't think it's really over.
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## Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:26 pm

Not just live-build. Live-boot, live-config et al are all part of it.
Refracta Snapshot, Refracta live images and most Debian "variants" exist thanks to Debian Live, which was actually designed and maintained to support such flexibility.
Maybe that's what the mainstream Debian (quote) "Cabal" doesn't like.
Anyway, my thanks and appreciation to Daniel for Debian Live as we know it. Sure it had some problems. (mostly "wishlists") like optional RW mount. Not much a little bash-hacking couldn't sort, unofficially at least.
A few hours research and a little help from this forum soon sorted a uefi-capable live image here. It is not a major issue.
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## Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:00 pm

> dzz wrote:Not just live-build. Live-boot, live-config et al are all part of it.

Indeed.

> dzz wrote:Refracta Snapshot, Refracta live images and most Debian "variants" exist thanks to Debian Live, which was actually designed and maintained to support such flexibility.
> Maybe that's what the mainstream Debian (quote) "Cabal" doesn't like.

That thought crossed my mind.

> dzz wrote:Anyway, my thanks and appreciation to Daniel for Debian Live as we know it.

Indeed. I'm going to pass this on to jaromil. Perhaps he could reach out to Daniel and provide him a new home . . .
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## Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:45 pm

Yes, my first thought was that we're dead in the water, and say goodbye to Stretch.
My second thought, upon reading a little about vmdebootstrap, was this:
http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how ... stems.html
If these two groups are really are working toward a common goal, we probably won't be able to install those packages.
This one gives me some hope, but so far, there's no response.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/20 ... 00053.html
A new home for debian-live sounds good.
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## Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:56 pm

I am waiting to hear from jaromil. Would be fantastic to have Daniel on the Devuan team!
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## Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:01 am

I doubt Baumann will join "devuan team". He's authoring his own distro and doesn't seem inclined to avoid systemd.
https://github.com/progress-linux
As seen here in refracta forum, live-build did have some issues (EFI, as mentioned, and a few others)
but those were probably unavoidable until the newer versions trickled down into testing repo.
The new -ng tool (python ui), along with vmdebootstrap... I don't get it, the reference to "upstream" mentioned in the mailing list.
I sure can't find an upstream. Poof, looks like it has been created outa thin air. google search finds no mention of it, outside the context of debian.
The wiki "derivatives" page, linked to Baumann's blog post with the linktext "thanks for all the fish"...
I've visited that page several times previously, and I think it's very "telling" -- the page has, across the span of several years, been poorly curated
and showcases(?) numerous long-defunct projects. Ah, the glory days, and... aha, debian's "relevance" has apparently waned during the past several years.
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