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golinux

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## Devuan unofficial iso

Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:11 pm

It's a miracle! Yesterday I DL the iso and took it for a spin. Thank you for letting me take a peek without having to do an actual install. Perhaps you'd like to add Jessie repos to the sources.list if/when you roll another version. (I actually think you made a comment about that on irc.) Of course certain options are not automated at this point like mounting of drives. And WTF, no Iceweasel! I'm sure all that's manually fixable but not worth the trouble using a live disk. IIRC, previous snapshots used to stop when exiting to allow for removal of the disk. That option was missing as it was on the Trios live disk. At least there is a 'boot from hard drive' option in the entry menu. Should I post a link to your unofficial-live iso to the devuan mail list?
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:12 pm

I gave the link to dimkr, but I didn't check back later to see what happened or if anyone else heard about it. So yeah, you can share it with them. Just mention that it was thrown together quickly as an example.
Yes, I had to add the jessie main repo to install live-* packages, and I left it there. And I didn't notice that there's no web browser. I really didn't do much with it beyond booting up. Partly because it's so ugly. And I know that has nothing to do with devuan. Debian has always made butt-ugly releases. It's part of the reason refracta has survived so long as a (pseudo)distro.
Shutdown is another issue. I don't use optical media, so I don't know if it ejects or not. I know there's a noeject option for the boot line, which means that eject will probably work, too.
I do have a couple of jessie installs on hardware, and I test a lot on usb. I'm getting inconsistent results on reboots and shutdowns, depending on what I'm shutting and how I'm doing it. I can't remember which work right and which don't. Guess I need to start taking notes.
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:01 pm

> fsmithred wrote:I gave the link to dimkr, but I didn't check back later to see what happened or if anyone else heard about it. So yeah, you can share it with them. Just mention that it was thrown together quickly as an example.

Had this exchange regarding your iso with dimkr this morning:

> <dimkr> it works, but the image lacks d-i and the image generation isn't automated
> <dimkr> I think we could benefit a lot from daily, auto-generated images
> <golinux> Will you be able to make the adjustments?
> <dimkr> i've played with debian-live
> <golinux> I remember that conversation
> <dimkr> it needs a working etc/apt/sources.list for debootstrap
> <dimkr> so I wait for the alpha
> <dimkr> I need to find a way to convert jaromil's preseed to live-build configuration files

> fsmithred wrote:Yes, I had to add the jessie main repo to install live-* packages, and I left it there.

I must have DL before you added it.

> fsmithred wrote:Shutdown is another issue. I don't use optical media, so I don't know if it ejects or not. I know there's a noeject option for the boot line, which means that eject will probably work, too.

There are two problems, One is exiting the live disk and the other is that the reboot and shutdown option are not available in the logout dialog. Have to shutdown from terminal to exit Devuan.

> fsmithred wrote:Guess I need to start taking notes.

The whole mess is quite convoluted and won't be resolved for some time to come. Mostly I'm just watching.
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:32 am

FYI . . .
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 ... f9.en.html
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:48 am

The shutdown issue has to do with avoiding packages that need systemd. The only reason that the refracta jessie has shutdown and reboot from the desktop is because we rigged it with sudo for only shutdown/reboot.
I'm sure you did not download it before I added the jessie repo, because the snapshot didn't exist until after I did that. It's in there. One line. What I don't remember is whether I commented out the lines for the CD or if it came that way.
Yeah, I think it's just when I boot from live-usb that it won't shutdown or reboot. (Talking about jessie in general here; not specifically refracta or devuan.) It just goes to a black screen and stays there. I've also had episodes where 'halt' was not recognized, and I had to use 'poweroff'. I'm pretty sure that's a systemd thing. All those commands are now symlinks to systemctl (if you have systemd installed.) Uh... yeah, try 'ls -l /sbin' to see what's been expropriated.
golinux

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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:21 pm

> fsmithred wrote:The shutdown issue has to do with avoiding packages that need systemd. The only reason that the refracta jessie has shutdown and reboot from the desktop is because we rigged it with sudo for only shutdown/reboot.

When you say "shutdown and reboot from the desktop' do you mean from the logout icon? That didn't work here - the options were grayed out. Did reboot with su in terminal /tty.

> fsmithred wrote:I'm sure you did not download it before I added the jessie repo, because the snapshot didn't exist until after I did that. It's in there. One line. What I don't remember is whether I commented out the lines for the CD or if it came that way.

I checked (/)etc/apt/sources.list and the jessie repos were not there!

> fsmithred wrote:Yeah, I think it's just when I boot from live-usb that it won't shutdown or reboot. (Talking about jessie in general here; not specifically refracta or devuan.) It just goes to a black screen and stays there. I've also had episodes where 'halt' was not recognized, and I had to use 'poweroff'. I'm pretty sure that's a systemd thing. All those commands are now symlinks to systemctl (if you have systemd installed.) Uh... yeah, try 'ls -l /sbin' to see what's been expropriated.

Yes, I have read about that bug before.
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:23 pm

FYI, there was some live iso feedback on the Devuan list this morning:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 ... 25.en.html
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:06 pm

FYI, here's the link to the most recent entries in the mail list archives. I find the interface somewhat difficult to navigate and there's no search feature (that I could find):
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dn ... 00.en.html
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:08 pm

WTF? I replied to your 10:12am message and it was posted in front of it! See . . . . this one too! Clocks must be off somewhere . . . probably mine . . .
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## Re: Devuan unofficial iso

Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:12 pm

I saw that post this morning, but I can only get to it from your link, not from the dng page. I have no idea why there's no jessie repo listed in your sources.list. I see it here when I boot the iso.
A separate issue is the fact that the repo I added does not work. I noticed that yesterday when installing software on a friend's computer. It seems that cdn.debian.net is not working. I had to change hers to a specific mirror. ftp.us.debian.org works, and debian.csail.mit.edu works. MIT recently changed that server, and I think the older address no longer works. Maybe cdn.debian.net hasn't updated their database yet, and that's why it couldn't find the local mirror.
Yes, I mean the logout icon. It's grayed out. That's not just a devuan thing. It would be that way in jessie-sysv if we hadn't customized the commands for that icon (using sudo). I don't recall which package needs to be installed to activate the shutdown buttons, but I know it pulls in systemd stuff that I didn't want to put into the build.
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