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meandean

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## Re: new type of forum

Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:04 pm

> nadir wrote:What i fail to understand is how i can "purchase" a domain name.
> If i search (seldom, i admit) i alway find "info" how great the service is i am planning to use,
> but seldom detailed explanations. All is quite vague.
> A real life step by step explanation would be very nice.

Some places bundle hosting and domain name (along with the services needed to control it) so you pay for hosting and you get a 'free' domain name for as long as you have hosting. In this case you do not need to mess with the DNS control panel since it is all in one place and configured for you.
Some just sell you a domain name (along with the services needed to control it) needed to control it. In this case you would point or direct the domain name to wherever your files are hosted. Simple as that.
Either way it isn't hard at all. Even if you get just the domain name then you should also get a control panel to log into so you can control the domain name. It provides a easy way to manipulate DNS records is all.
For an example, I registered the refracta.org domain name with doteasy (i think) and I login to the control panel and configure it to send all refracta.org queries to http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ since that is where the hosting is at. I could just as easily send it to any other site as well.

> I still think that using riseup.net or, even better, and much better, setting up crabgrass oneself, for the only purpose of refracta/debian/computing, would be the best solution

solution to what?
Personally I think the 'best' solution in regards to freedom and websites/forums/whatever is to have control of the data. If you cannot access the raw data, save the data locally, manipulate the data, and destroy the data then I consider that to be the same as wrapping your data up in a proprietary file format that someone else controls. In other words, it is non-free.
So the best solution is to have your own server under your desk at home and install/run everything yourself. The problem with that is you have to have your own server under your desk at home and install/run everything yourself. Not to mention that this solution involves your ISP, bunch of routers between you and the world, so on and so forth. A lot of stuff to handle with a number of possible points of failure.
I usually compromise and just go with a good host provider that provides me full access to my data. I give up some control of the system but still keep control of my data which I consider to be the important part.
Obviously distributing your data (whether under desk or with a hosting provider) provides redundancy and ensures that others have access which is sort of a bonus freedom or ensures the data has freedoms.
Anyway....gotta run for bit....
As far as refracta and this forum, none of this was meant to be applied to refracta. I did mention a free host that I ran across but that is just for consideration IF it was ever decided that something needed to be changed. I was thinking about the restrictions of this forum and that ibiblio seems to be a bit more frugal. But only the web host suggestion has anything to do with refracta at all, that is why I posted this in the nonsense section.
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## Re: new type of forum

Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:26 pm

> a solution for what

For something like that:

> What about a community forum where each member (who wanted it) had their own area? They could decide what forums and subforums to have, they could decide their own rules for their section, they could decide who to help and how, so on and so forth. Of course they would ooperate under general rules for the whole board such as nothing illegal or whatever but besides that each member could have their own playground.

I see that there is a problem with ISP's and such. But it would remove the need for "admins".
At riseup: if i post at freetards, i post there (duh). If i want to create a site for myself, i do it at "me". Freetards is not involved. It is no one elses business what i do on "me".
At any provider one would need - at least- one overall admin.
In general i got no problems with a usual provider, and i see why it is more "easy" than going for something like crabgrass. Perhaps one could even install it at a provider (As you might know the whole subject is a wee bit above me. Btw: thanks for the plain words about domain names).
This way or that way i think a new way of "forums" is needed (the small forums like here or antix ain't got much problems, btw, and the admins/mods/whatever stay calm).
Not sure if i was very clear... I am trying to hype crabgrass (or something similar), i guess, but am open for anything. Let me relook at 000 the next couple of days.
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## Re: new type of forum

Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:32 pm

> meandean wrote:

> > Very good. I did not find it yet,

> log in, go to cpanel, click on 'fantastico autoinstaller'

> > (and woha, woha, woha, they got email too, right?)

> I haven't played with it but I would suspect so. Obviously if you did not have a domain then your email would be at a subdomain like [email protected]

"fantastico" is broken (due to a temporarily upgrade).
I don't understand if and how i could manually install apps.
meandean

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## Re: new type of forum

Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:01 pm

You can install manually. How you do it depends on the app. The site you get the app from will usually have install instructions. Usually it is upload, chmod, create database if needed, run script, etc...
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## Re: new type of forum

Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:01 am

As it's xmas and I've enjoyed your words of wisdom for nearly 12 months now I think you deserve a small present.
It is in my power to create a sub-domain off my domain at http://lin.me.uk
So your sub-domain would be "http://nadir.lin.me.uk/" would that be acceptable to you?
I don't know if it's possible to have @nadir.lin.me.uk as an email address but I'll ask my server friend about it when I ask him to set up the sub-domain.
I have access using Plesk as well
My domain is hosted by a disabled engineer friend who's been in computers since the early days.
He's 5? years old, over weight, had a kidney removed, has diabetes and had a triple heart bypass, so how long it will last i don't know but while you have access you can learn a lot. Oh, he's got a server in his back room but he's also got a server in a data center where my domain/sub-domains are hosted.
I would of coarse provide a video of how to access your domain using filezilla
I love your search for understanding in so many directions
I'll PM you a mystery present as well, up to you if you think it worth sharing with your fellow admins.
I bought this forum software 9 months ago, the Publishing edition of https://www.vbulletin.com/
I can't put it on my domain at the moment because the server PHP software on the server in the data center is to old to run it. but he was expecting to upgrade it over xmas,
Might be fun putting a forum up where folk can have their own sub-forums and visitors have the right to post in threads unless that right has been forfeited//denied taken off them by sub-forum admin members
Just noticed the admins have got me cold
I hate writing, this post has taken me hours to compose, I like using symbols. ah well nadir deserves a hug and **** the rules
What I'd like to do to some admins/gods/tyrants
I'm not doing very well at 69 years with manuals so I like using pics
I'm looking for a dirty look pic for when someone puts a dodgy post on my sub-forum
first look
2nd look
3rd look with message
I have asked the wise one to remove your ability to speak when you visit my world
Hence forth you will be dumb and only able to learn in my world.
No appeal on my judgment is possible or permitted and you cannot PM me.
4th look with message PM'ed to the one displeasing the host
You are banished from my world, the right of entry through the portal to my world is denied you, I have destroyed it and you do not posses the ability to reactivate/rebuild the portal.
To date you have been exiled from 3 worlds the wise council of the multi worlds have decided to remove your ability to speak on all your favourite worlds for 7 days.
I love being a benevolent god.
It's taken me 69 years to completely control my little world
You please me
Maybe the community should provide/host a small free web site for the members ?
Thank you for kindly giving me your time, I hope I please you.
and you are looking forward with anticipation and a big smile to the joy of another year in your life
nadir

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## Re: new type of forum

Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:55 am

ukbrian: funny post, that is sure.
A subdomain at http://lin.me.uk is an idea.
Thing is: i got the server running here, and am fooling with other stuff, so it might be i won't use it much or immediatly. Thanks for the offer, good idea.
Dean: I tried crabgrass, could not understand how to get it running at 000, despite i read the INSTALL, then went for friendika, which failed too (unknown reason), then tried to run it on the PC, decided to run "chmod -R www-data: .*" and that was a really bad idea (yes: .[a-zA-Z0-9]* is the better choice...)
PS:

> **** the rules

A true Zen-saying
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## Re: new type of forum

Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:10 am

> ukbrian: funny post, that is sure.

I don't understand, sorry, what was funny about that post?, I spent hours slowly composing it and enjoying relaxing with a bit of deep though. I'm sure you can control a sub-forum in an demonstrable open and honest way using pics.
I have a friend who's spent his working life writing bespoke office database apps for companies including nationwide transport companies plus for the local authority/civil service.
I spent almost every Sunday at his place for several years writing a bespoke office app when i set up a small roofing company. So I learner a bit about screen form design.
It was written using a uk database thingy called Sculptor, You wrote a text file for the screen forms and fed it into a compiler.
If you wrote the text file for use on a DOS machine you could take the same text file on to a unix install and after 3 or four search/replace in a text editor it would compile and run on the unix machine.
After a customers phone call You entered a new customer record and printed off a customer inquiry form designed for me to copy the job measurements and other needed information for me to fill in when I visited.
it did everything including the accounts which were very friendly to adjust and fine tune your yearly accounts.
Sorry if I'm going on a bit
I came to say that I just started to install Siduction http://siduction.org/ and it's got/using a html installer running in iceweasel, very novel.
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## Re: new type of forum

Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:51 pm

> I don't understand, sorry, what was funny about that post?,

Eh...well: the pictures? Seems obvious to me.
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## Re: new type of forum

Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:01 pm

> ukbrian wrote:Sorry if I'm going on a bit

ya might want to ease up on the eggnog just a bit
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## Re: new type of forum

Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:04 am

mhhh...
I installed ownclowd to 000webhost.com, and it looks handy.
Bad news:
- i get an php-error bout open_basedir which i don't understand (i know that i have to edit base.php, but would not know how as i know nada bout php). Guess it is solvable once i find somone who speaks php.
- it does not come with something similar to a forum
I found this:
http://owncloud.org/contribute/writing-apps/
but am not sure how hard it would be (or possible at all) to add a forum like app.
Assuming those issues can be sorted, one could also run it from home, and use pagekite:
https://pagekite.net/wiki/Howto/GNULinux/OwnCloud/
whose developer posts regulary, or now and then, or at least once, at the freedombox mailing list.
More or less talking to myself, saving the link to the writing-apps page.
btw: the problem with the fantastic-installer is discussed at the 000-forum, and it seems to be an old problem (in case i understood the thread correct).
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