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## 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

Refracta Development, Scripts, etc.
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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by fsmithred » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:21 am

Here's the re-written change-username.sh - https://github.com/fsmithred/refracta/r ... sername.sh
The old one wouldn't do terrible things, but there was a section I copied from the install script that used zenity, but that section ran when you were in runlevel 1. Doh!
Copy the new script to somewhere in root's path or in /root and run it once, as root.

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  `change-username.sh <newname> <oldname>`

Save yourself some time, and make sure your user is logged out before you run it.

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by meandean » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:42 am

good to see a build....got a few comments, just off the top of my head....
A must-have for me is bash completion installed and configured well
If going with the two panel setup then I would like to see them configured a bit differently. Maybe some larger launchers below and everything else up top, maybe autohide the panels or at least the launcher bar.
I don't think the menu should be on both panels though. That really doesn't make much sense to me.
You can save 5 to 10 megs of memory by not using the menu plugin but rather just create a shortcut that calls the xfce menu instead.
If going to use firefox then I kind of like the idea of firefox being in the users home folder. Maybe in .firefox instead of firefox so that it doesn't clutter everything up. That way users can keep it easily updated.
I don't care for gnash. I am impressed with how well it is working nowadays though. But it is as bloaty (if not more) than flash itself. It uses up a good chunk of memory...seems to do it even if I am not viewing anything with flash content.
In my opinion any full featured browser is as bloaty as another after a hour of use so no need to have more than one and since firefox is the one everyone knows and loves...
I think you should use more gnome apps or try to eliminate the gnome stuff as much as possible.
Glad to see gnome gone...even though XFCE does nothing for me...

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by meandean » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:14 am

might be wrong but it seems the exclude list is created in the users home directory but is created by the root user so the user ends up with a file in their home directory they cannot delete.....or maybe I did something screwy...one or the other...

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by nadir » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:31 am

I had a glance at the icewm-session. Though i never really fell in love with icewm i like it and think it was/is a good choice to add a wm. On my stoneage-laptop it flies...especially as it comes with non-opaque window-moving per default.
So i herd u liek mudkip?

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by nadir » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:41 am

> ...even though XFCE does nothing for me...

I am not sure if i understand it correct.
You mean: in general i don't like it.
Or you mean: i am not able to use it in a productive way
?
Second i would not understand. I open apps and do things. Thats all i do. Hence i need a menu, a command-prompt and some desktops, and that is all i need. I think. not sure. I barely use filemanagers or panels, which might be rather unusual. Again: not sure.
What i did never understand is why people try to avoid gnome-apps. I used e17 and tried to avoid them. That was a lot of work, and never really worked. Then i used gnome-core and e17 on top of it, which worked good. Now i use xfce and i think i use quite a lot of gnome apps.
Probably it does make sense to avoid them, as so many try it, and i am the one who does not understand it.
a second panel is odd, but, like said, i already am lost if there is one.
So i herd u liek mudkip?

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by fsmithred » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:50 am

Thanks for the comments and suggestions.
Bash completion - I've never messed with it. Tell me what needs to be done.
Menu - I just assumed that some people will get rid of the lower panel right away. Also, I run with the menu on both panels and go to whichever one is closest to the mouse pointer. I tried making a regular launcher for the menu, but it only works if the plugin is on the panel. I also tried putting everything in one panel and getting rid of the lower panel, but that used more memory than having two panels. That was a surprise.
Gnome - I meant to exclude gnome-games but missed that. Will probably get rid of gnome stuff in this build, then go for more gnome stuff in the next. (Removing gnome-games and gdebi just freed up 118mb.)
Edit: forgot to address the excludes file problem. You didn't do anything wrong. I need to either chmod it in the script or put it someplace else.

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by fsmithred » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:03 pm

https://github.com/fsmithred/refracta
The excludes file is still in the user's home dir, in case someone wants to customize it, but now it's world-writable. Changed the name of refractainstaller3b.sh to refractainstaller-nogui.sh.

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by fsmithred » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:43 am

Dean, I just realized why you mentioned gnash. I did not intend for it to be installed, and I'm not sure where it came from. And somehow, iceweasel got installed on the vm that I'm using to build the isos. I'm thinking I may need to start over again. Meanwhile, I'm looking for things to remove.
Will anyone be sad if I removed the murrine-themes? dmz-cursor-themes? orage? (Last one is now gone, along with xfce4-mixer and aumix.) Any other suggestions for what can go?

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by meandean » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:57 am

sheesh....so what exactly IS suppose to be in this thing anyway?
let me do a clean install and I will re-run thru my thoughts on it...
make no mistake, there is nothing wrong with it as it is....box it....ship it...take over the world....done....but I personally would do a few things differently if it was me....which it isn't....so do whatever floats your boat
let me see if I can get a install done and bring forth a few lucid comments..

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### Re: 6.0.4-xfce/icewm beta

by meandean » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:24 am

> I am not sure if i understand it correct.

I just don't care for xfce. That is just me personally though. I know many do like it and that is why I suggested fsmith make a xfce version.

> What i did never understand is why people try to avoid gnome-apps.

Well pulling in 200mb of gnome libs for gedit is kind of silly. In that case avoiding gnome apps (gedit) makes sense. Whereas if you are going to use gedit, gthumb, abiword, gnumeric, brasero, and so forth then pulling in 200mb of gnome libs makes sense.
So I wasn't really saying avoid them but rather decide if you want any gnome stuff and if so then consider using more gnome stuff since they have great apps. Of course since xfce is installed adding in xfce apps isn't going to bloat anything either. So a mix in this case is probably sensible...considering it it almost impossible to go totally gnome (gksu, gconf, gvfs)free.

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