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## the latest devuan-based puppy (not mine)

Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:25 pm

https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Puduan
two isos, at least one is very recent, havent tried them; im interested, and im told theyre devuan-based. theres not a lot of systemd in the puppy world, thats one of the reasons i take them seriously these days (many years ago, i used puppy every day.) the name is-- almost as bad as "refractahrpup."
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## Re: the latest devuan-based puppy (not mine)

Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:59 pm

Oct 2015
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 4&start=43
Dec 2015
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101868
Aug 2016
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107796

> one of the reasons i take them seriously these days

Sigh, I can't "take them seriously"

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> puduansave-arf.2fs.zip.zip download:
> http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/BrF54rIV/file.html
> Unzip twice to get the 2fs pupsave file. This pupsave is 960 Mg's big when
> totally unzipped.
> _________________
> musher0
> ~~~~~~~~~~

Yah, unzippit it twice! Twice is gooder! That way it'll be zippyshare virus-free 1101!
figlfdev

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## Re: the latest devuan-based puppy (not mine)

Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:50 am

> thwak wrote:Sigh, I can't "take them seriously"

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > puduansave-arf.2fs.zip.zip download:
> > http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/BrF54rIV/file.html
> > Unzip twice to get the 2fs pupsave file. This pupsave is 960 Mg's big when
> > totally unzipped.
> > _________________
> > musher0
> > ~~~~~~~~~~

> Yah, unzippit it twice! Twice is gooder! That way it'll be zippyshare virus-free 1101!

i get you. this is why i switched to trisquel, then debian, then devuan.
the guy that made the above iso just started, and hes using a tool from github called woof-ce (based on woof, the scripts barry used/made to create puppy) to base puppy on devuan. there are only a couple guys that know how to use the scripts that are using them right now. dimkr (of the #devuan irc) used (actually changed) the scripts to use debian and then devuan.
personally, i have my own project which takes dimkrs "librepup" (systemd-free, based on trisquel) and refracta, and mixes those together.
rather than start with a lot of tangled woof scripts that i could never hope to organize, im making my own script that mixes a year-old version of puppy with refracta.
woof leans towards customization, im leaning towards automation. what comes out of the script i made is a 750mb iso that will boot to either puppy with enhancements from debian/devuan repos, including pcmanfm desktop instead of rox pinboard-- or boot to refracta with puppy features, including petget (the puppy package manager) in addition to a full apt configuration (with devuan repos.)
like the guy working on puduan, ive only been doing this for a month or less.
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## Re: the latest devuan-based puppy (not mine)

Sat Aug 20, 2016 12:48 am

In retrospect, my earlier post seems too dismissive. Sorry about that. I've been enthusiastic about other puppy projects (vincentVanPup, puli, FatDog64, DebianDogLXDE) but, no, bolting a puppy liveboot+persistence mechanism onto a devuan base (reproducible builds or not) doesn't strike my fancy. Reading the current pupuan discussion thread, I was turned off by seeing "let's round up the remaining third of the packages we'll need..." along with the detail "download from zippyshare". Somewhere along the way a post mentions a desire for reproducible builds; in the meantime I wouldn't consider booting the iso due to concern for the potential risk (risk of tainted content).
https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... uan/jessie
currently only 32bit x86 arch, apparently, but good to see they're populating the iso with packages from official repositories
Although I've recommended & customized lxpup for use by a few acquaintances through the years, puppy{'s philosophy} ain't my cuppa. Pupmode27 and pupmode63 and pupmode81... and the wonky file paths, makes my head spin. I do admire PupMenu and PupControl, but the other "puppy flavored" apps (pmusic, pfind, et al) always seem far-removed from being "best tool for the task". Reminds me: each time I've testdriven a newly released puppy variant, I've been mindblown at noting that mlocate is not installed. (On second thought, slocate might have been present in the most recent FatDog64)
https://github.com/antiX-Linux/Build-iso
This is probably analagous to "woof-ce", seems more straightforward, and is already road-tested (used for building MX Linux 15 and antiX 16).
Specific to devuan, IIRC devuan is stated in the /etc/issue or lsb_release file within the antiX "15-beta3-V" iso (one of my pendrives still has this).
I've never read anyone mentioning that bit of trivia, and the antix16 final iso instead states "Debian Jessie".
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## Re: the latest devuan-based puppy (not mine)

Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:37 am

> thwak wrote:https://github.com/antiX-Linux/Build-iso
> This is probably analagous to "woof-ce", seems more straightforward, and is already road-tested (used for building MX Linux 15 and antiX 16).
> Specific to devuan, IIRC devuan is stated in the /etc/issue or lsb_release file within the antiX "15-beta3-V" iso (one of my pendrives still has this).
> I've never read anyone mentioning that bit of trivia, and the antix16 final iso instead states "Debian Jessie".

antiX-16 final is built using Jessie repos including the initial debootstrap. That beta version you have was built using devuan debootstrap (to get the base files) plus jessie repos since there were no 'full' repos for devuan at that time.
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## Re: the latest devuan-based puppy (not mine)

Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:57 am

> thwak wrote:bolting a puppy liveboot+persistence mechanism onto a devuan base (reproducible builds or not) doesn't strike my fancy. Reading the current pupuan discussion thread, I was turned off by seeing "let's round up the remaining third of the packages we'll need..." along with the detail "download from zippyshare". Somewhere along the way a post mentions a desire for reproducible builds; in the meantime I wouldn't consider booting the iso due to concern for the potential risk (risk of tainted content).

im not sure devuan is doing better in this regard. im not saying they arent, im saying im not sure. i was pretty confident that debian had the right idea about this with signed contributions, but the theme in the devuan ml/irc seems to be that debians way doesnt really add much-- meanwhile the iso comes over http, not https?
i dunno, it all sounds like "security isnt perfect, so why bother with it at all?" but i have more faith in devuan (and refracta) than that, so im pretty sure im wrong. i wish i knew exactly how im wrong though.
im not using puduan, and anyone can download my 50k script from the internet archive, look at what it does, and modify refracta and puppy with it at the same time. and if the distro security infrastructure improves, it can be pointed to the secure url and used on that instead. but since all the old isos (for devuan and refracta) get deleted, the only place youll be able to find old versions (to examine them) is on zippyshare and dropbox, etc. well-- and the internet archive, thanks to my friend allytonx.
ive started a forum for fig and fig os, but unless someone is interested enough to pm me i dont think theres a lot of point in posting the url at this time. the forum needs people, but if i cant bring in some puppy users i doubt it will ever get legs.
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