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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:42 am

even if i mainly followed the help by fsmithred, i feel (slightly) leet now ...
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:47 pm

congrats, nadir, and thanks for posting to report the progress of your experiments!
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:31 pm

Thanks thwak
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Not there yet, but regarding installing packages:
I think (!) what helps is:
1) emerge --update @system
(instead of @world)
2) Installing apps one after the other, as problems occur, and
3) making heavy use of --autounmask-write (than cp the ._cfg***package.mask and similar packages in place, location etc/portage)
4) Loads of praying and cursing
In short: the sledgehammer method.
Might well be that will still fail in the end (and the ones who *can* workaround such problems should have no problems to install gentoo themselves, in the usual way. Hence i am not sure i see any advantage in what i tried ... ).
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:00 pm

Well, right now, I'd love to have an easy way to install gentoo. Or at least a way that I can get to work. I'm still stuck on emerging grub. Tried it again today after letting it sit for a few weeks. It tells me it can't find the file, but it knows the exact version number. So finally, I got out of the chroot and ran grub-install from the live cd. Was able to boot to a grub command line and get the kernel started, but oh yeah, that was the other problem - the initrd didn't get created. Ended in kernel panic and killing the VM.
But an easy installer would take the fun and learning out of it. I was thinking about that earlier today. It might make more sense to figure out how to create your own gentoo live cd. Then you could carry it with you or do a quick install on another machine.
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:33 pm

Now that you say it:
with SystemRescue, the problems i described in my last post, grub was one of the packages giving trouble too.
It sure didn't complain bout not finding it. I don't remember what, but could get it sorted by one of the things mentioned in the last post.
Perhaps obvious: If in doubt give the "long" name, like "emerge sys-boot/grub"
(Yes, just a wild shot in the dark)
Once or twice i have had to tell the version number (i forgot how, but it wasn't hard)
I ain't got an initrd for gentoo (for SystemRescue i got one, but not for gentoo). Not cause i wanted that, it simply happened.
In general i barely know about initrd (i know you can compile it with the kernel, via make option, but thats about it)
I know you are much a do-it-yourself-guy, but in IRC you will really get quick help for such problems. It seems, from what i have seen there yet. Pretty much the best advice i can give.
I agree what you say bout an easy way to install it (i prefer to start easy, and then work my way up, not the problems first).
You said Sabayon comes with systemd per default, but being based on Gentoo other init's should be possible, no?
That whole masking, unmasking, USE-flags and version conflicts and what not is ... well: beyond me.
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:36 pm

jheaton posted about genkernel. I can't say anything about it, but it might help with the initrd problem.
And, like said, if using funtoo one can use the Debian kernel, which should cover pretty much any hardware out there. Or?
As far it's me the kernel is the biggest problem during installation (lack of update-grub doesn't make it much better ...)
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:29 am

I may need to recompile the kernel and put some things in the kernel that I made as modules before. For now, I cheated and used the kernel and initrd from the live dvd. I found a different version of grub listed in /usr/portage (2.02-beta-something), tried to emerge it, but it failed. Then tried grub-legacy (forgot their name for it already) and it seemed to work. Booted to grub command line, which shows grub-2.02-beta, used grub2 commands to boot the kernel and initrd I copied from the dvd. It works. Right now, I'm emerging xorg, openbox, lxpanel, lxterminal and geany, and it's been running for two hours. Hate to think how long a full kde or gnome would take. I'm not switching over to this in a hurry.
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:00 pm

I just finished my basic gentoo install using the handbook. I fixed the network configuration. Next steps are making sure I have my intel graphics card drivers properly installed and then install X window system.
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:55 pm

> I'm emerging xorg, openbox, lxpanel, lxterminal and geany, and it's been running for two hours.

Lol. Tell me about it. I think twice before i install anything
(get's even better if it fails after 45 minutes .... ).
Taking just any kernel out there, in your case the one from the liveDVD, sounds good to me.
My actual kernel is 4.8MB, like said no initrd. Not sure if that is small (sounds so), but in the end it doesn't give me much pleasuer having a small kernel (or: it never bugged me to have a big one).
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I wanted to look at ututo, but the last upload is 3 years old.
iow: Still looking for something like a "quick and fast" way to get an installation (yup, there doesn't seem to be one ... ).
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## Re: refractainstaller as a text file

Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:55 pm

> fsmithred wrote:I may need to recompile the kernel and put some things in the kernel that I made as modules before. For now, I cheated and used the kernel and initrd from the live dvd. I found a different version of grub listed in /usr/portage (2.02-beta-something), tried to emerge it, but it failed. Then tried grub-legacy (forgot their name for it already) and it seemed to work. Booted to grub command line, which shows grub-2.02-beta, used grub2 commands to boot the kernel and initrd I copied from the dvd. It works. Right now, I'm emerging xorg, openbox, lxpanel, lxterminal and geany, and it's been running for two hours. Hate to think how long a full kde or gnome would take. I'm not switching over to this in a hurry.

Code:
  `genkernel --menuconfig all`

Does it all in one step. It opens menuconfig and allows you to adjust your settings then when you close menuconfig it proceeds with the compiling.
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