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dzz

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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:23 am

Great news.. thanks fsr for all your efforts.
Running here latest dbus without systemd! Seems to work so far. Used "dh_make -m" on the original source then copied in the files from /debian from the debian source. Changed in the "control" and "rules" files what seemed obvious. Then dpkg-buildpackage. Failed first time with missing build-deps. Installed them, rerun dpkg-buildpackage and 6 debs popped out (separate doc, lib, dev, udeb..).
Current test box is jessV-nox with TDE added. Shutdown, reboot, usb notification/mounts are working. Suspend for user is not but I can use an sudo entry and a custom launcher for that. Only network manager is ceni (older version and it requires root) which works fine for wired/wireless.

Code:
  `[email protected]
  :~$ dpkg -l|grep systemd
  [email protected]
  :~$`

Another test box (sid, no *systemd*) has xfce. Using sudo for shutdown, reboot, suspend with custom launcher and spacefm for usb handling.
This is probably a better way to go than use old stuff (or switch to gentoo and have to compile almost everything..) Will look at libpulse0 next. Already printing with cups but that was more difficult.
Watch out! bsd-utils (part of util-linux?) is heading this way with new systemd dependency.
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:41 am

Kudos! Exciting reports from fsmithred and dzz. Will give this a spin before too long.
Have either of you tried VLC in this setup?
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:00 am

> Have either of you tried VLC in this setup?

Code:
  `After this operation, 88.1 MB of additional disk space will be used`

Rather large for a live image, but vlc is installed and working fine on my jessV+TDE test box.
Mplayer: mplayer-gui is in jessie/sid but it doesn't work. Fix is here: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=390892
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golinux

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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:16 am

That's good to know! Don't need it on the image. Just need to know it works. Now being greedy . . . how about Avidemux?
fsmithred does it work on your setup?
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:48 am

> how about Avidemux?

deb-multimedia.org is still around.. avidemux is qt4 (but not much deps).. Installs and works here. I got some m2t files to cut ads out from and recompress, will get around to it one day..
ARRGH! that's polluted my nice new clean system with qt4 already!
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:09 am

> dzz wrote:

> > how about Avidemux?

> . . . avidemux is qt4 (but not much deps).. Installs and works here . . .

I've always used the gtk version but know that has to go because of the gnome deps. So qt it will be! Thanks for testing. Hope you can 'unpollute' your system.
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:13 am

And out popped a whole bunch of pulseaudio debs, including libpulse0_5.0-13 with no systemd deps. It installed with dpkg -i.and mplayer still works.
The rest of those debs will be installed to Room 101

> Hope you can 'unpollute' your system

Never mind, this one is only for test! It will be trashed before the week's out (except the good bits)
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:27 am

> dzz wrote:And out popped a whole bunch of pulseaudio debs, including libpulse0_5.0-13 with no systemd deps. It installed with dpkg -i.and mplayer still works.
> The rest of those debs will be installed to Room 101

Was that from installing avidemux? I really, REALLY don't want pulseaudio on my system, just straight alsa. Is Room 101 your time-out corner?
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:34 am

> Was that from installing avidemux? I really, REALLY don't want pulseaudio on my system, just straight alsa. Is Room 101 your time-out corner?

No! I built pulseaudio from source in order to get libpulse0 without systemd deps (mplayer and other things want libpulse0 but not the rest of pulseaudio)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_101
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## Re: Going with the systemd flow . . . or not?

Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:25 am

> dzz wrote:

> > Was that from installing avidemux? I really, REALLY don't want pulseaudio on my system, just straight alsa. Is Room 101 your time-out corner?

> No! I built pulseaudio from source in order to get libpulse0 without systemd deps (mplayer and other things want libpulse0 but not the rest of pulseaudio)

Yikes! I just checked and I even have libpulse0 on squeeze but no pulseaudio installed. No pulseaudio on wheezy either AFAIK. Does that change with jessie?

> dzz wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_101

I had totally forgotten about that - read it over 50 years ago and faded in memory. Never saw the TV series either - no TV for a good part of my life.
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