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## 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by fsmithred » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:46 pm

I wasn't counting mirrors. Just wondering if there are any significant differences in the nosystemd packages from the different sources and whether there is any practical way to tell the differences between them. I guess I could look at the sources for differences in the packaging.
Couldn't eudev just call itself udev when it's installed? I would think it just needs a dummy package and proper versioning and/or pinning.

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by mean_dean » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:15 pm

> fsmithred wrote:Couldn't eudev just call itself udev when it's installed? I would think it just needs a dummy package and proper versioning and/or pinning.

I don't recall if I did that or not. I may not have. I think the issue was something else. Maybe I need to try it again...

> Just wondering if there are any significant differences in the nosystemd packages from the different sources and whether there is any practical way to tell the differences between them. I guess I could look at the sources for differences in the packaging.

Actually it looks like angband might be targetting unstable...of course anything in unstable should transition to testing....but maybe trios is the safer choice as they are doing a jessie respin...

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by anticapitalista » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:44 pm

The antiX ones come from angband and there is now a testing nosystemd directory in trios which also uses the packages from angband.

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by nadir » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:57 pm

Speaking about udev:
To me it was the main reason why anything close to Debian doesn't make much sense anymore, say something called a fork.
One will run from one problem into the next, and in the long run it will be too much work.
I sure like that people try it (by whatever means), and even if they fail in the long run i think it deserves respect, but it is not my thing (the bless of the debian package management now seems to be a curse ...).
I think i am looking for an OS more solid, more basic, more simple, less confusing, less everything-has-got-something-to-do-with-anything (to give the most known example: for the life of me i can't figure out what a desktop environment has got to do with the init system).
Debian isn't like that (anymore, i guess), and it started before systemd.
So i herd u liek mudkip?

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by mean_dean » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:02 pm

> nadir wrote:One will run from one problem into the next, and in the long run it will be too much work.

I agree. I think that will be the issue with udev as it is such a core piece. I suspect some of the problems will not even be apparent, you will just run into some issue that you cannot figure out and underlying it all will secretly be some hidden problem with your udev replacement.

> (the bless of the debian package management now seems to be a curse ...).

told ya a long time ago that the best thing about debian was the package management system...and he worst thing was the package management system

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by nadir » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:51 pm

I think on Gentoo one can handle such "problems" with Flags (set in a config file, say etc/portage/package.use). You set a flag which tells it to use systemd, pulseaudio, whatnot, or to not do it, then it will be compiled accordingly (with the according dependencies).
Something like that would be good for Debian. But it problably is not possible, beyond what it already has (recommends). In the past i didn't need it and thought people who asked for such were plain nut. Changing times and minds, huh?
I can't remember you told it already to me. But if you say it is a while ago ... i simply forgot it. Prolly didn't have the knowledge to even understand it ...
So i herd u liek mudkip?

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by thwak » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:46 pm

nadir, instead of "flags" we have debian's apt-pinning (package pinning):
https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by nadir » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:29 pm

With all due respect: No.
If x is a dependecy of y, then you can pin as much you want. You will have to download the source and edit debian/rules or debian/control, then build and install, then pin.
As far i understand, of course.
So i herd u liek mudkip?

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### Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

by fsmithred » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:44 pm

I just updated our trios mirror. There are newer packages for dbus and util-linux.

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  `deb http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/trios/ mia non-systemd-testing`

Also, I just got around to trying this, and I'm getting a gpg error about a missing public key, and I can't find it. I get the same error if I use the Trios repo at mirror.org.

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  `W: GPG error: http://mirror.org.rs mia InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 989C0AF04E4C8EB0
  [email protected]
  :/home/user# gpg --search-keys
  [email protected]
  :/home/user# gpg --search-keys 4E4C8EB0
  gpg: searching for "4E4C8EB0" from hkp server keys.gnupg.net
  gpg: key "4E4C8EB0" not found on keyserver`

Packages will install after getting a warning about untrusted packages and telling it "yes". You have to specify the repo with '-t mia', and that's the same for the original trios repo and our mirror.
The key for the antix angband mirror works. You have to use '-t testing' to install from it. I'm not sure how apt knows that you don't want it from the debian testing/jessie repo. Maybe because my sources list says "jessie" and not "testing"?
Edit: Got the issue with the gpg key sorted.

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  `wget http://mirror.org.rs/mirror.org.rs.gpg.key
  apt-key add mirror.org.rs.gpg.key
  `

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