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nadir

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## web hosts

Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:26 pm

or how ever it is called.
I am storing it here, to keep it in mind, to be able to compare, etc.
http://www.swaghost.org/eng/index.html
opinions, links, tips, how-to's are most welcome
(from the top of my head this should be important:
the amount of data one can store
the monthly. data transfer
download upload speeds
reliability
)
I got no idea about the subject.
To get it started: Is the above cheap or expensive or normal?
meandean

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## Re: web hosts

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:13 pm

good price!
nadir

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## Re: web hosts

Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:31 pm

> meandean wrote:good price!

Thanks.
You can tell me bout some with good price and a good reputation ?
I really know nothing ...
golinux

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## Re: web hosts

Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:12 pm

These guys are great! And good to the environment too.
http://www.canvasdreams.com/
nadir

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## Re: web hosts

Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:00 am

Thanks.
Correct me if i am wrong:
I can have 50 gigs of space with montly 100 gigs data transfer for 16 bucks a year
or
6 gigs of space with monthly 120 gigs of data transfer for 15 bucks a months
?
To put it different:
http://www.canvasdreams.com/
is too expensive (for me) and offers too little space (for me).
30 or 50 Gigs would be good (as far i see right now).
In case the above sounded smartassing: I really am asking.
I am never sure if i understand such things (hosting) correct ...
Anyway: thanks again. Let's just gather some info.
thwak

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## Re: web hosts

Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:50 am

First rule: never have your webhost register your domain
(many can, and will, hold hostage your domain when you attempt to move to a different webhosting company)
Similarly, if you're buying an SSL cert for your site, don't purchase that via the webhost either.
^--- It's okay to utilize the webhost's nameservers, IMO.
If YOU maintain the DNS record (via registrar's site) you can setup the dns to point to webhost's nameservers....
...and, in a heartbeat (well, takes 15-30min for changes to propagate) you can point to different nameservers if you change webhosts.
Second rule: obviously there is no such thing as "unlimited" storage (nor "unmetered" bandwidth, for that matter).
If a webhost promises "unlimited" storage or bandwidth, he's lying... er "marketing".
Scratch any such fibbers off your shortlist of prospective hosts.
Unlimited domains? Well, sorta. A "reseller-enabled" or multidomain hosting account does enable you to apportion your allotted resources across multiple domains... but I think of that as being "unrestricted" rather than "unlimited".
Next (not a rule, a suggestion):
visit webhostingtalk.com forum to research the rep of whatever webhosts are on your shortlist, and to discover new webhosting offerings that you may not be aware of. You know how people visit angieslist and "report"? Yeah, well lots of "squeaky wheel" stories get aired in the webhostingtalk forums.
Third rule: when signing up for a new host, do NOT prepay 6mos, nor a year or whatever.
Pay for the FIRST month and gauge whether you are satisfied with the quality of service.
MANY, if not most, reputable host will graciously accept your decision to cancel/leave within the first 30 days if, for whatever reason, you decide the hosting is "not a good fit" for what you had in mind. (Like, you try to run prestashop or joomla or whatever db-intensive webapp on your site and find that the pageload times are unacceptably slow, compared to performance seen on your prior webhost).
Fourth: "overselling"
Many hosts do it (oversell). In and of itself, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
If the host can load balance the servers, and migrate heavy traffic sites to their underutilized servers ~~ I say more power to 'em. Couple years back, some of my domains were hosted (cheap, multi-domain reseller account) on a "shared" server which housed 600+ domain sites and never, not even once, did I notice a performance problem. Most of the sites hosted on that box (mine included) were "backwater" sites, low traffic. IIRC, for the ecommerce sites, an extra (dedicated) IP address costs $1/yr (needed for SSL cert). Paypal accepts just about any cert authority, but if you plan to use Google Checkout... cheapest cert among their "approved"/recognized providers is about $60/yr.
In choosing a webhost for a "shared hosting" (vs an account which provides an exclusive/dedicated IP for your domain), I would make damn sure the host's TOS forbid spam, porn, warez (by checking the host's rep at webhostingtalk). Otherwise, your site's IP is likely to eventually land on a spam or other blocklist.
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Some webhosts will lure you in with a lowball price, then "upsell" you for nickel/dime "extras" not included in the lowball price.
Like, a given cheapo hosting account may only provide 2 (or 5) mysql databases.
This is a false (invented, arbitrary) limit ~~ creating dbs is self-service and... however much storage you're allotted, why should it matter whether you're storing jpegs, data in 2, 5, or 100+ sets of mysql databse files?!?
Another come-on is
"cheapo account is limited to 5 email boxes"; "gold or platinum or gummibear account get 50 email boxes!"
What?!? Again, setting up mailboxes for your domain is self-service. The host has no valid reason to know/care how many "boxes" you setup. (Metering how many total emails an account sends per hour -- yeah, they have a valid reason to keep tabs on that metric.)
IMO best cheap reliable domain registrar: namecheap.com (about $9/yr for a .com domain)
Due to witnessing repeated headaches of friends hosted on GoDaddy servers, I recommend avoiding them.
I can't recommend a "good, cheap" host though, because I haven't shopped around for at least 2 years. I've been content paying $14/mo for (geez, I had to look it up. I didn't even remember the limits) 10Gb storage + 100Gb/mo bandwidth. Although it's a "reseller" account, I don't sell to others ~~ I just utilize the account cPanel / WHM features to host my domain sites for various ventures in the same place (they share the total 10/100gb limit, I pay just one hosting account). I've stayed put due to the host's blazing fast FTP transfers, near zero outages/downtime, and 10-15 minute response times any time I've sent a help ticket. No, I won't post the host's name (I'm not their fanboi, just a content/lazy customer).
golinux

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## Re: web hosts

Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:08 pm

> nadir wrote:To put it different:
> http://www.canvasdreams.com/
> is too expensive (for me) and offers too little space (for me).
> 30 or 50 Gigs would be good (as far i see right now).

Over the years, I have hosted with several different companies. I've now been with Canvas Dreams for several years and have gotten to know some of their tech support guys (who actually know what they're doing). I feel secure that they are competent and aren't gonna screw me. In fact, they even give me a discount based on the content of my site(s). With cheapos, you all too often get what you pay for or as thwak mentioned, you get the bait and switch . . .
I don't know what you need all that storage for but I'm nowhere near my limit with a site that is several hundred pages and getting over 20,000 uniques an month.
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## Re: web hosts

Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:26 pm

4-6GB storage would be enough -
Two usb images of 1GB each
Two iso images of 700MB each
One or two testing isos up to 700MB each.
and a few kilobytes of web pages, deb files and screenshots, which I guess should be updated soon, since they're from two versions ago.
Right now, with ibiblio, we have to stay below 2GB.
Well, maybe 8-10GB so there'd be room for a couple of usb testing images.
This forum seems ok, and if we decide we don't like it, we could move over to the sourceforge site, which is just sitting there waiting for something to happen.
nadir

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## Re: web hosts

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:11 pm

> 4-6GB storage would be enough -

Well: yeah, but why pay 10 times the money if you could get 10 times the storage?
(Say an archive wouldn't hurt, and be it only for the lulz)
Oh, and i don't think it makes sense to move the forum (if we could move the old content it might be an idea. But as that ain't possible ... and, like you say, it seems ok).
golinux: well, yeah. reliabilty is a good point. They should hire a new web-designer, imho
So it sounds like 15 Euros per months would be a "normal" price ? Plus minus a bit, sure, but as a rule of thumb. Yes?
nadir

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## Re: web hosts

Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:25 pm

Yesterday i searched the Web.
Like the last time i did this: very boring and anything but clear.
I like the general idea (i hope it is clear by now), but am not able to make any decisions.
decisions like: yes, that is a good solution. No, that is not a good solution.
(I searched German, and that made it even worse ... lol).
I don't really understand the proposals by thwak.
As far it's me i would like to stay focused and to it (somehow) in the near future.
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