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## Refracta wiki project

Refracta Development, Scripts, etc.
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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by golinux » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:18 pm

> fsmithred wrote:Dash before noscript can go away. I think that was originally meant as the text equivalent of a bulleted list. Or maybe not. It serves no purpose now.

Done.

> fsmithred wrote:Directory structure - I guess I'll go with:
> Code: Select all
>   `Stable
>   Testing
>   Refracta_Tools`

Good.

> fsmithred wrote:Stable will contain the stable version iso files'
> Testing might contain subdirectories, various versions of tools and isos, and it might get a little messy.
> Refracta_Tools will contain stable versions of the tools, probably all in the same directory.

I'd expect to find ALL the tools in the Refracta Tools directory. You could have two subdirectories in Refracta_Tools, one for stable, one for testing. Another possibility would be to have a Refracta_Tools subdirectory in both the Stable and Testing directories containing their respective versions.

> fsmithred wrote:The web pages are actually on a different server from the downloads, and I don't think anyone can access those files except as web pages. And the oldstable (squeeze) isos will be removed due to limited space. If someone wants old versions of refracta, they're available in nadir's archive. I think that's an occasional archive that's available upon request, sitting on an antiquated box in his living room. Probably don't need a link to that, unless he wants to use it to heat his home in winter.

Good to keep things current. The only time you might need both old and current isos would be during the transition to new stable. Maybe you could add a note somewhere to contact you if they want an older version?

> fsmithred wrote:There might be another directory in that mix, too. Right now I've got one named "misc" that contains screenshots of error messages for a recent post in the Help section of the forum. I put them there because the last time I used a free image hosting site, they disappeared on me, and when I tried another, they required login. Maybe that's a good reason to keep all the downloads in subdirectories of 'files' as they are now - then anything that doesn't really belong can be outside of that, but still linkable, like the 8.x version of the tools.

Yes, all images should be in a place that won't go poof.

> fsmithred wrote:For the links on the Downloads page, I thought you were in favor of having direct links to the isos.

That would make it the easiest for visitors to find what they need.

> fsmithred wrote:I'm happy just to have a link to the directory that contains the current stable versions at sourceforge. Right now, that directory is called "isohybrid". That's the same as the debian-live download site, and it tells the user that it's an isohybrid file. But not everyone understands what that means. I've thought about changing the name of that directory to something else, but I can't decide what makes the most sense. (LiveCD, Live-CD-DVD, Live-media, iso9660-files-that-can-be-burned-to-optical-media-like-CD-or-DVD) And it's already linked the way it is in some scattered forum posts, so I don't want to break those.

I think it's OK to present download options in several different ways. Different strokes and all . . .
Maybe something like this for the Downloads page...

> fsmithred wrote:
> Code: Select all
>   `#points to isohybrid directory at sf.
>   Download current stable versions of Refracta-7 (32-bit and 64-bit)
>   #points to Refracta_Tools dir at ibiblio
>   Refracta Tools (refractainstaller, refractasnapshot, refracta2usb)
>   #points to testing folder at ibiblio.
>   Download testing versions of Refracta and Refracta Tools
>   All files at sourceforge
>   All files at ibiblio
>   github
>   yad, etc...`

We can see how that feels on the page once you get things organized and post the links.

> fsmithred wrote:I see a copy/paste error in the release notes... Remove "select all" in the github section:

> > If you get an error on 'git pull origin master' and it refuses to update, do the following.
> > Select all
> > cd /home/github
> > rm -r refracta
> > git clone git://github.com/fsmithred/refracta

Sorry about the misread but you did have the 'Select all' within the code tags.

> fsmithred wrote:One question - when it's all done, are you going to send me a tarball with all the web pages in it? When I tried saving your sample web pages, it didn't work, and I ended up with a lot of black on the screen. (Don't remember exactly, but I know it was wrong.)

I can do that or you can download them yourself from http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/refracta/ which takes you to the directory tree of the site. Right now it needs a little housekeeping though. FYI, to save a web page, right click on it and choose "View Page Source". Save that code with the filename designated at the end of the URL and voila!
Other things to do:
1. Rewrite of the blurb on the homepage. FYI, a friend who looked at it was freaked out by the in-your-face disclaimer at the bottom. Might be a good idea to tuck that away on another page or even somewhere on the download sites.
2. New screenies with the Wheezy galaxy wallpaper instead of the old pinkish geometric one.
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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by fsmithred » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:44 pm

Oh wait. I said that stable isos would be in the stable directory, but there really isn't room for them and the testing isos. There will be a readme.txt that contains the link to the sf downloads. Two separate places for stable and testing tools makes sense.
Scary blurb at bottom of home page can be replaced with something like "Refracta is free and open source software. You are allowed to blah blah blah." with a link to the GPL or maybe the debian license info page. Or maybe "Refracta and Debian Linux are free..." The gpl does contain its own disclaimer. I'll put together a couple of sentences for that.
I really don't want to make new screenshots, partly because I just don't want to do it, there's no refracta logo on the galaxy pics, and I think it'll make the thumbs look like holes where you're seeing the background of the page. On most of those screenshots, there's not much of the desktop showing, anyway. If someone wants to work on new wallpaper, I'm certainly open to including it in updates and/or the next major version.
Will get to work blasting the downloads directory structure at ibiblio...

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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by golinux » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:26 pm

> fsmithred wrote:Oh wait. I said that stable isos would be in the stable directory, but there really isn't room for them and the testing isos. There will be a readme.txt that contains the link to the sf downloads. Two separate places for stable and testing tools makes sense.

You know what your storage capacity is on each host. You'll figure it out.

> fsmithred wrote:Scary blurb at bottom of home page can be replaced with something like "Refracta is free and open source software. You are allowed to blah blah blah." with a link to the GPL or maybe the debian license info page. Or maybe "Refracta and Debian Linux are free..." The gpl does contain its own disclaimer. I'll put together a couple of sentences for that.

Maybe the disclaimer could go on the Downloads page?

> fsmithred wrote:I really don't want to make new screenshots, partly because I just don't want to do it,

Fair 'nuf.

> fsmithred wrote:there's no refracta logo on the galaxy pics

Short term memory loss? There already IS a logo on at least one of the refracta galaxy wallpapers!

> fsmithred wrote:and I think it'll make the thumbs look like holes where you're seeing the background of the page. On most of those screenshots, there's not much of the desktop showing, anyway.

Why don't you do one and we'll see how it looks. I vote for a background consistent with the current release.

> fsmithred wrote:Will get to work blasting the downloads directory structure at ibiblio...

YEA!
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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by fsmithred » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:36 pm

Try this -
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/
Keeping the tools at a higher directory level to find them easier. "current" is a symlink and is still there to keep links in old forum posts alive.
"documentation" doesn't need to be there once the web pages are updated. It can go in the web side with images and screens, accessible through the web pages. OK to keep it "docs" as it is in your test pages, I think.

Code: Select all
  `|-- CD_Images
  | `-- readme.txt
  |-- Refracta_Tools
  | |-- refracta2usb-0.9.1.deb
  | |-- refractainstaller-base_9.0.8-1_all.deb
  | |-- refractainstaller-gui_9.0.8-2_all.deb
  | |-- refractasnapshot-base_9.0.9-2_all.deb
  | `-- refractasnapshot-gui_9.0.9-2_all.deb
  |-- Testing
  | |-- nothing_here_yet
  | `-- readme.txt
  |-- current -> CD_Images/
  `-- documentation
  |-- Release_Notes_7.0.txt
  |-- package_list_7.0.txt
  |-- readme.refracta2usb.txt
  |-- readme.refractainstaller.txt
  `-- readme.refractasnapshot.txt
  `

Edit:
1. I don't think we really need to have the disclaimer on the web pages. I don't recall seeing it at any other sites I've visited. But maybe it was hidden, and I never noticed.
2. The screenshots for the wheezy version are using the same background as the wheezy version. It's kind of orange. Squeeze was aqua. (One is a color reverse of the other.) I'm pretty sure the galaxy with the logo is one you put together. It's not the same logo that appears on the desktop now.

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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by golinux » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:23 pm

That's coming along nicely. Might not be a bad idea to keep the current documentation duplicated at the download site. Some users might bookmark the download link and skip the web site. But the screenshots do need to go once the new site is live.
I have used that link for the ibiblio entry on the Documentation page of the site.
I second eliminating the disclaimer.
IMO whatever background is on the the iso is the one that should be used in the screenies. I haven't installed Refracta (or Debian) stable so have no idea what it is currently.
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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by fsmithred » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:01 pm

I got curious about how the links were going to work out, and I went ahead and replaced the old website with the new. Had to copy home_ds.html as index.html, so both of those files are there. Did a wget of your site, stopped it before it copied all of saynotogmo, and luckily, the refracta dir was all copied. Then I uploaded it to ibiblio over sftp. I'll replace the couple of pages that will get edited, and we'll be finished. It looks good.
Maybe this for the last paragraph on the home page?

> Refracta is based on Debian GNU/Linux. Everything installed in Refracta is free and open-source software. You can download it, use it, copy it, and share it with friends. If you install any packages from non-free repositories, you will be asked to accept the appropriate license. For more information about licenses, see http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/

I think it's just that and the download links that need to be finished.

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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by fsmithred » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:27 pm

On the resources page, first link to Wheezy release information needs to be changed to
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/
Debian help - http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/
No longer works and can be removed.
And I forgot to answer your question about Debian User Forums. I suppose they could both be listed with their domain names as:
Debian User Forums (forums.debian.net)
Debian User Forums (debianuserforums.org)

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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by golinux » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:57 pm

> fsmithred wrote:I got curious about how the links were going to work out, and I went ahead and replaced the old website with the new. Had to copy home_ds.html as index.html, so both of those files are there. Did a wget of your site, stopped it before it copied all of saynotogmo, and luckily, the refracta dir was all copied. Then I uploaded it to ibiblio over sftp. I'll replace the couple of pages that will get edited, and we'll be finished. It looks good.
> Maybe this for the last paragraph on the home page?

> > Refracta is based on Debian GNU/Linux. Everything installed in Refracta is free and open-source software. You can download it, use it, copy it, and share it with friends. If you install any packages from non-free repositories, you will be asked to accept the appropriate license. For more information about licenses, see http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/

> I think it's just that and the download links that need to be finished.

Clever boy! Yes, it is an improvement over the old vanilla look. But some housekeeping is needed in the Refracta directory - no longer used files and images that should be nuked. I'll do that in a bit then you can compare the directories and clean things up on your server.
Clever boy! I was going to tell you about index.html but you beat me to it. In addition, I usually include a copy of the file as .htm and .php just in case. I just checked my stats and they do get hits for whatever reason. In addition, you might want to put a blank index.html in the subdirectories to keep people from poking around. And since I don't want to break links posted in forums, I'll put a redirect on the index page in that directory and nuke the rest if you have everything you need. I'll still keep a backup here though.

> Refracta is based on Debian GNU/Linux. Everything installed in Refracta is free and open-source software. You can download it, use it, copy it, and share it with friends. If you install any packages from non-free repositories, you will be asked to accept the appropriate license. For more information about licenses, see http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/

That looks fine. Much friendlier than the disclaimer.
I'm guessing you can pretty much take it from here. It's easy to replace URLs, and tweak text. If you want to change/add anything major, just let me know. It's been a pleasure. Happy to be able to contribute something to the Debian world. Cheers!
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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by fsmithred » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:56 pm

I was able to edit the text in the home page to add the proposed copy along with the link, but in doing so, I noticed one odd thing. When I scroll to the bottom of that page, I can't go past the white to see the background. It makes me feel like there's more that I can't see. On all the other pages, the bottom of the white box is obvious. I definitely do not know how to change that. If you could do that or show me the edits, I'd be grateful.
The refracta directory was completely moved to a subdirectory before I put the new files in it. You can still access the old site at refracta/oldsite. I'll nuke that in the near future. If I'm not mistaken, a redirect is not needed. Let me know if I'm wrong about that.
Thanks so much for all the work you did on this and for your patience. I'm really happy with it.

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### Re: Refracta wiki project

by golinux » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:47 am

All the main pages use the same template so it's just weird that you're not seeing the bottom margin on the index page. I am seeing the background underneath the white here, online and in my local files. I tweaked the refracta.css file. Switch it out with the one you have and see if that fixes things.
The redirect will be from a place-holder index page on the saynotogmos site pointing to http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ so it should find the site wherever you put it.
I noticed one other anomaly. In the top and side navigation, 'home' was pointing to home_ds.html instead of index.html. You can either search and replace or download the 7 corrected pages from the testing site. I have put them in a separate folder. Search for this on ALL files on the site of you want to do it that way:

Code: Select all
  `home_ds.html`

And replace with:

Code: Select all
  `index.html`

I'm happy that you're happy.
Last edited by golinux on Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
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