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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:09 pm

> Yes, Dean, you're one of the people who complained about there being two panels,

damn I ***** about everything

> so now I'm used to using one panel. I figure that 'right-click --> Remove' is easier than adding stuff, so

Looking at it on a desktop system it looks fine especially once I remove a couple items the kids do not use and slim down the time display. So on second thought, it looks just right. For myself I usually create a new panel and drop a couple items on it and done so no biggie there.

> Feel free to play with the desktop themes or try others or tell me which ones suck.

None suck, it is just that gtk3 picks up different colors/elements as gtk2 from the same theme. I think it is 'poor form' on the part of the gtk devs but nothing to be done about it. I was just pointing it out so if you did want to do something about it. What I currently do is avoid gtk3 apps like the plague. If I do decide I need gtk3 apps then I grab the greybird theme directly from the shimmer project and install it. That has worked in the past but I haven't checked recently.

> Compositing is on because transparency in xfce4-terminal doesn't work.

transparency hurts my brain

> I haven't been good in the past couple of months about keeping notes to myself on what needs to be done, so I'm sure I missed other stuff.

Maybe a raise and a paid vacation would help motivate you.
golinux

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:11 pm

> meandean wrote:None suck, it is just that gtk3 picks up different colors/elements as gtk2 from the same theme. I think it is 'poor form' on the part of the gtk devs but nothing to be done about it. I was just pointing it out so if you did want to do something about it. What I currently do is avoid gtk3 apps like the plague. If I do decide I need gtk3 apps then I grab the greybird theme directly from the shimmer project and install it. That has worked in the past but I haven't checked recently.

That's why I'm using some apps from mate rather than gnome like mate-text-editor (pluma aka gedit) and mate-system-monitor. I use openbox theme tropic bomb and live with the few gtk3 visual annoyances. Greybird is just too dark grayish and chromeish for me kind of depressing and I'm not up to creating a new style at the moment. I'm hoping that by wheezy stable some of the gtk3 theme glitches will be remedied.
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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:46 pm

OK, compositor is off, transparency is off, numlock is off.
dzz, I prefer white text on the desktop icons, too, but with that particular background image, I can see the black better. Note that there are "custom1" and "custom2" versions of some of the themes. The only difference is the icon text - one is white and two is black. Try both, and see which works better. You guys can out vote me on this one. And I'll probably lose the greybird, as I'm not too happy with it, either. Might just go back to the old default xfce-4.4 theme, and then gtk2 and gtk3 apps will be equally boring.
Wicd still had serious bugs when I checked about a week ago, so I've left it out for now.
I'm also adding a couple more packages that were missed - cryptkeeper and ccrypt.
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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:47 pm

> meandean wrote:

> > Maybe a raise and a paid vacation would help motivate you.

I accept.
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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:11 pm

> Wicd still had serious bugs when I checked about a week ago, so I've left it out for now

As do a few other things in wheezy... why not use the sid version (or an earlier snapshot, or an alternative, e.g. Ceni)
Manual network configuration is tedious. Also tedious is setting up nonfree firmware, however I'm still happy to see Refracta not include nonfree.
golinux

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:40 pm

> fsmithred wrote:Might just go back to the old default xfce-4.4 theme, and then gtk2 and gtk3 apps will be equally boring.

I like boring. Bells and whistles - even gradients and other gratuitous visuals - kinda suck.
meandean

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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:46 am

> That's why I'm using some apps from mate rather than gnome like mate-text-editor (pluma aka gedit) and mate-system-monitor

I use geany

> Greybird is just too dark grayish and chromeish

The greybird in refracta seems to be the older darker version. The newer version is light grey with blue highlight color. Althought the panel is still dark. It isn't the most color matched theme in the world but it does make gtk2 and gtk3 apps look the same.
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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:57 am

Anything which looks the same for gtk2 and 3 is fine for me
(and it has to look slightly better than ?redmond? I used that too, only to get rid of the problem. )
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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:23 am

> meandean wrote:I use geany

Geany might be good for some things but a bit too fussy for most of what I do.

> The greybird in refracta seems to be the older darker version. The newer version is light grey with blue highlight color.[/url]

Regardless, that bright blue would drive me nuts. As would the rounded scrollbars - too Macish. FWIW I'm using the galaxy wallpaper on my desktop and always customize the color I want the panel to be (almost never use the default). Would make it semi-transparent if this old machine could handle it.
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## Re: wheezy-based refracta beta2 bugs, discuss, kudos, whatev

Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:19 am

> mate-text-editor (pluma aka gedit)

FWIW, devs are polling users at the mate-desktop.org forum, proposing to ditch pluma in favor of geany

> mate-system-monitor

does it really have fewer dependencies than gnome-system-monitor?
(or just a different, analagous, set of dependencies?)

> gtk3 visual annoyances. Greybird

here are a few which have behaved well for me:
http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Z ... ent=149883
Features:
thin menubar, toolbar and icons
gtk2 and gtk3 (version >=3.4)
compatibility with xfce widgets, xfce notify theme.
six pre-configured color schemes compatibles with gnome and xfce : Zen, Zen-blua, Zen-nigra, Zen-nokto, Zen-verda, Zen-papero.
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The Bluebird and Albatross themes have been updated with some Gtk3 support on the Shimmer Project's GIT page.
https://github.com/shimmerproject/
While not as complete as Greybird currently is, they more than get the job done.
Name: Albatross (also Greybird, Blackbird, and Bluebird)
Summary: Desktop Suite for Xfce.
URL: http://shimmerproject.org/projects/albatross/
Desktop Suite for Xfce.
Albatross was the default theme in Xubuntu 9.10 and 10.04.
The Albatross desktop suite includes:
– GTK+2/3 theme
– Xfwm4 theme
– Metacity/Mutter theme
– Unity support
– Pantheon support
– usplash and xplash themes
– Wallpaper
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GTK Theme Preferences on GitHub
https://github.com/satya164/gtk-theme-config
lets you customize the following:
* selected background color
* Xfce panel, Gnome panel and Unity panel: background and text color
* menu background and font color

> Anything which looks the same for gtk2 and 3 is fine for me

ah, but "Gtk3" is a moving target. A theme perfected for 3.4 may be glitchy under 3.6
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