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thwak

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## Re: Can you install RefractaShapshot on existing Debian 7 se

Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:23 am

I grabbed copy (v914) from sourceforge and neglected to read the conf file before posting that.
The explanation provided in the conf comment is fine, as is.
It's sad to read that Debra, as a new visitor to the forum, formed the impression "...but people are having problems with it".
The scripts are wonderful, work as intended... but users (including Debra, including me) often want to stretch/bend 'em to suit our off-the-wall use cases.
Debra did an excellent job of explaining the situation and her goal.
Those punks at debian forum are SO rude. The couple times I've ever posted there, they've beaten me up and taken my lunch money!
I don't know what TVHeadEnd is, but it's surprising that they don't offer (or suggest) a specific backup / restore solution.
fsmithred

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## Re: Can you install RefractaShapshot on existing Debian 7 se

Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:58 am

Oh good; you had me worried there that the script wasn't acting right.
The thread that Debra linked to that's allegedly full of people having problems was about using the tools on other distros. Part of the confusion might be my wording in the first post of that thread. I probably should have asked if people had used the tools on distros other than Debian, instead of Refracta. A lot of people don't realize it, but Refracta isn't a separate distro - it's just Debian configured in a way that's agreed upon by a small group of people.
And stop carrying lunch money. Haven't you heard that you're supposed to use your phone to pay instead of cash?
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## Re: Can you install RefractaShapshot on existing Debian 7 se

Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:18 pm

> fsmithred wrote: Part of the confusion might be my wording in the first post of that thread. I probably should have asked if people had used the tools on distros other than Debian, instead of Refracta.

The other part of the confusion is your fault too.
You really should point out that anyone looking for instructions should look in old posts in a section called "experimental".
Debra

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## Re: Can you install RefractaShapshot on existing Debian 7 se

Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:28 am

> fsmithred wrote:There are some good discussions about backup methods and strategies at forums.debian.net. You might want to read some of those while you're rethinking this.

First, I want to thank everyone that attempted to help me here, but it is quite clear that I am in way over my head and probably shouldn't be using Linux at all, or at least not a command-line-only version. I am used to other platforms (Windows and Macs) where you just install a program and it works. The impression I am getting is that such programs do exist in Linux, in fact one or two are similar to Time Machine on a Mac, but you are required to have a GUI (desktop) to run them. Since we apparently simply can't do what we want, we will probably use Redo Backup, which is like Clonezilla but a bit easier to use, and we've used it in the past to clone a system.
Regarding forums.debian.net: As golinux so "helpfully" pointed out, I tried to get help there and will not make that mistake again. Apparently if you try to carefully explain what you wish you could find there, that makes you an entitled b*tch in their eyes. I was not asking them to write new software for me, just trying to explain exactly what I was trying to find, and why some of the offered solutions wouldn't work. In the Windows or Mac world, I can't imagine I would have ever received the rude responses I did there. I could understand their reaction if I had somehow demanded that they write new code for me, but I didn't - in fact this was what I actually said:

> I wish there were an easy backup solution that could be easily installed using apt-get (so that it picks the correct version automatically and brings in any dependencies automatically), and that would then let you configure it using configuration files or a simple menu driven setup, and then allow you to run it from from a command line or cron job, and it would do the backup to an ISO file on an external drive or memory stick.

And to that, this is what golinux replied:

> I can appreciate your frustration. I just can't get past the sense of entitlement and on-demand expectation. If you want those features that much, the Linux/open source solution would be to write it yourself or ask/sponsor/hire someone with the ability to do it. If you choose to pick up your marbles and go the 'easy' route that is your loss (and the forum's gain, I think).

How he got a "sense of entitlement" out of my saying I wish I could find something is beyond me, but since he seems to feel it would be the forum's gain if I never return, I have no intention of doing so.
When trying to find something as common as an automatic backup solution that will run without user intervention is this challenging, and subjects a person to such rude treatment, I can see why so few use Linux. I guess you really need to be a programmer to use it, and I'm not one of those. Sorry for wasting everyone's time.
golinux

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## Re: Can you install RefractaShapshot on existing Debian 7 se

Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:08 pm

Hello Debra. I'm flattered that you chose to highlight my comments and not dasein's which immediately followed and echoed my thoughts. I stand by them 100%. It's interesting that you assume I am a 'he'. Not only not a 'he' but someone who started on Linux with no real technical background and after 60 to boot. So get a grip. Either roll up your sleeves and figure it out or retreat. The choice is yours (as it always is in life).
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