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dzz

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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:58 am

I noticed "deja-dup" causes a large size increase, in today's sid dist-upgrade. A purge and autoremove followed by reinstall will add 33MB. It seems to be a backup utility but I never used it. How necessary is this in a live image and can anyone suggest a lighter alternative?
Other size problems noticed were abiword and x11vnc associated dependencies. (can't purge the word processor) How useful is x11vnc for the live image, does anyone use it?
thwak

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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:02 pm

feature-wise, these are comparable:
https://packages.debian.org/sid/grsync
https://packages.debian.org/sid/luckybackup
luckybackup brings fewer dependencies
honorable mention:
https://github.com/SalineOS/SalineOS/bl ... eos-backup
(rsync -based, yad dialog UI)
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For x11vnc (i don't use, FWIW) i suppose the more apropros question is "what uses it" rather than who.
If rdepends shows no dependents for x11vnc, I'd nix it.
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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:07 pm

Thanks thwak. I sacked deja-dup and went for grsync. I used it before, already know it's good and is in Debian. I read good reports of luckybackup but it has qt4 deps ~35MB
Abiword wanted to add 26MB so I put it on hold for now, along with grub-pc and xorg-core because of apt-listbugs warnings.
ISO came out at 644 so x11vnc is not a problem for now.
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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:54 pm

x11vnc-t223.html
Someone does use x11vnc. In any case this is about unofficial sid builds for now and things change. I'm determined to keep within 700MB with as little functionality loss as possible (difficult but so far successful).
libgcypt20 (dep of new abiword) is also flagged in apt-listbugs.
Deja-dup vs. grsync anyone?
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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:38 am

I'm not attached to deja-dup. That was one of Dean's choices for the Aunt Martha version of refracta. It's simple, and it can be scheduled, but grsync is fine.
Did my first test of new installer last night. Added dzz's code for sudo, graphical password entry, and fixed the recent hostname problem (test for special characers.) I think it would have worked if the drive order hadn't changed. Couldn't boot into an encrypted install the first time, but when I fixed the device name in fstab, cryptroot and grub.cfg, bind mounted and ran grub-install, update-initramfs and update-grub in chroot, it booted right up.
My sid build comes to under 500mb in the iso, but none of the major apps are installed - no gimp, no abiword, no media players, short lists in the menu, but all the deps for refracta-tools are installed.
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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:13 am

Looks like gdebi just bloated out. After purge and autoremove, on reinstall:

Code:
  `# apt-get install gdebi
  Reading package lists...
  Building dependency tree...
  Reading state information...
  The following extra packages will be installed:
  dh-python gdebi-core gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0
  gir1.2-glib-2.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0 gir1.2-vte-2.90 libatk1.0-0
  libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-0 libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common
  libmpdec2 libpython3-stdlib libpython3.3-minimal libpython3.3-stdlib
  libpython3.4-minimal libpython3.4-stdlib python3 python3-apt python3-chardet
  python3-debian python3-gi python3-minimal python3-pkg-resources python3-six
  python3.3 python3.3-minimal python3.4 python3.4-minimal
  Suggested packages:
  python3-doc python3-tk python3-apt-dbg python-apt-doc python3-setuptools
  python3.3-doc binfmt-support python3.4-doc
  Recommended packages:
  libglib2.0-data
  The following NEW packages will be installed:
  dh-python gdebi gdebi-core gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-freedesktop
  gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0 gir1.2-vte-2.90
  libmpdec2 libpython3-stdlib libpython3.3-minimal libpython3.3-stdlib
  libpython3.4-minimal libpython3.4-stdlib python3 python3-apt python3-chardet
  python3-debian python3-gi python3-minimal python3-pkg-resources python3-six
  python3.3 python3.3-minimal python3.4 python3.4-minimal
  The following packages will be upgraded:
  gir1.2-glib-2.0 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libglib2.0-0 libgtk-3-0
  libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common
  7 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded.
  Need to get 17.8 MB of archives.
  After this operation, 40.6 MB of additional disk space will be used`

Maybe it's not needed in a live-image anyway?
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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:05 pm

I was going to say that I could add it to repsit, but it's already there. Last time (in squeeze) I noticed a big difference between installing with and without recommends. I think it wanted around 14mb without.
OK, that's weird. I already have it installed in my sid, and removing it will only free up 3.7mb.
One of the recommends is libgtk2-perl, which I just installed last week so that the graphical frontend for changing timezone and locales would work. The only other recommend is shared-mime-info, and we probably shouldn't get rid of that.
Um, why does it want python3? I have no python3 anything installed, and gdebi is installed.
Edit: Oh, python3 will come in if I dist-upgrade, so it got added in the last week.
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## Re: Sid, Refracta and Refracta-tools

Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:07 pm

> Oh, python3 will come in if I dist-upgrade, so it got added in the last week

Yesterday. Other stuff might be depends of something else you have but I don't.. and recommends is turned off here.
Note also live-* version 4x just got into sid including live-boot_4.0~alpha21-1 .. will post an updated patch-live-initrd later when I finished testing it.
EDIT http://exegnulinux.net/refracta/experim ... 1-1.tar.gz
Sid ISO here down to 640 without gdebi with an otherwise similar package list to refracta-wheezy!
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