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fsmithred

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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:16 pm

@nadir:
3. For a live-cd, I think it makes sense to remember the password, since you're probably only going to have a single, short session.
4. Done. If you had asked me how it was set, I would have said that pgup and pgdown scroll the history, and I would have been wrong. Don't know where I remember that from, but maybe some other linux like RH, Fedora or SuSE.
5. I hate the vim-tiny that's included, but installing vim and vim-runtime would eat up 25mb.
6. Merry Christmas. Done. (tilda - it's small)
7. qasmixer looks pretty, but it wants 27mb.
8. Iceweasel plugins - An entire thread devoted to this might be a good idea. Ghostery looks interesting (except for the "Friend us on Facebook" part), but I need to try it.
There was one plugin that showed the connections between websites that were sending information to each other, but I can't remember what it was called. Not sure if I've got it on any installations right now.
I miss being able to easily view/save html pages in the cache and haven't had any luck with plugins that claim to let you do that.
9. I don't think the bookmarks have changed.
10. vagalume looks interesting, but what happens if two of us log in at the same time? There are browser links for last.fm and libre.fm, but the sites don't seem to work properly. last.fm needs flash (works on my main installation) and I'm not sure what the problem is with libre.fm.
11. Not sure. I was looking for gimp in a Refracta-606 install on a box at a friend's house yesterday, and it's not there. It is present in the master installation of 606, from which the iso came. Maybe I installed that other box from a beta version.
@dzz:
Updated kernel to 3.2.0-4 and removed the older headers. In doing so, I see that we now have gcc-4.7, so I'm guessing that we're back to a mis-match between the default gcc and the one that was used to compile the kernel. That always annoys the **** out of me. Anyway, it should save some space by only having one set of headers. Haven't checked yet.
gb not uk - oh yeah. I sort of remember running into this in the squeeze version.
runlevels - I think I'll go with stopping lightdm on runlevel 3. In some ways, I feel like it's sacrilege (was raised on redhat) but I guess I like that better than changing the default of 2 (which is also sacrilege, but hey, this is debian, and things are done differently.) Sidux refugees will be happy and think everything is normal.
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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:21 pm

Yeah, i really only hammered out what i have come to think
(Say mentioning vim again was pointless, but i saved myself the trouble to decide what makes sense and what not, and only posted the list). Like the first thing: i guess remembering pwd on a Live makes sense. I change it out of habbit.
I don't think last or libre fm is a problem, if many log in. It's just a fake account for some music. Didn't think about it much. If in doubt better not do it and be done with the problem (I love music, as soon i start the pc).
oh, and thanks for adding tilda. I think it really is a good idea (as it's small, it doesn't hurt).
Speaking of that: thwak guake not quake. That was funny. Thanks for it. Tilda comes tabbed, though i haven't figured out a shortcut to create or switch new tabs, i use the mouse or, more easy, screen inside of tilda.
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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:00 pm

Didn't know there was any mismatch problem with latest gcc and kernel. If so, surely that must affect all wheezy users and should be sorted "upstream" in due course?
What I do know is, a rebuild of beta 3 with dist-upgrade, latest kernel, headers, build-essential and live-config hacks (very few and minor other changes) came out around 650MB and runs fine so far.
BTW changes and rebuilds here done at the moment using a chroot from the extracted squashfs rather than (slower) snapshot of an installation.
Sometimes I just use a hook to test something minor. My 9899-hooks mod seems to work with multiple scripts placed in live-media-path/config-hooks (and installs a deb for nasty nonfree Lenovo wireless)
fsmithred

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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:26 pm

647MB here on a build I made last night (on vbox install).
The kernel/gcc mismatch is a standard debian thing, God knows why. I didn't check - I'm just assuming. Oh, maybe I'm wrong about that - I had to rebuild the nvidia driver on my hardware install when I upgraded the kernel the other day, and I didn't have to specify gcc-4.6. The symlink for /usr/bin/gcc is pointing to gcc-4.7.
I haven't added your hooks script yet, but I plan to do that before the next beta.
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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:30 pm

Not everyone would consider changing a default, in the correct way that Debian actually supports and documents (sysv-rc-conf) as "sacrilege", when there is a good reason
Re live-config hacks: Wheezy gets closer. All issues with the official live- stuff may not get sorted in time.
To a degree Debian-Live does actually support use of custom scripts and even supplies templates in official docs, with notes actually recommending custom inclusions to be done with deb packages. However, my changes are still experimental and not yet properly tested.
One thing I noticed with the new xfce, it picks up on the default system keyboard automatically (unless overidden in it's own configs) I couldn't make that work in Squeeze.
As for refracta-wheezy-beta3 "bugs" generally, seems mostly down to preferred inclusions, configs and problems of wheezy itself. It's probably already the best wheezy live image out there. I compared the package list to the squeeze version, most of the good stuff is already in there. Thanks to xz, still some room left if we want it <700.
meandean

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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:33 am

> 4) # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history

is that different than using the up/down arrow keys ?

> 7) alsamixergui is still ugly ... (but we talked about that and the reason to use it already). Just saying.

I would of thought xfce4-mixer would of been the obvious choice. dunno....
smeeeellllsssss like the best release evah!
Although I am still waiting for a fsr network tool to select a wireless network, input the optional key, click connect.....done
thought about a different font and/or maybe bumping up the hinting setting?
fsmithred

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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:56 pm

pgup/pgdown will work exactly like up/down arrows - it will scroll one command at a time.
The reason I prefer alsmixergui to xfce4-mixer is that the latter won't let me make the window small enough to leave it open and out of the way.

> smeeeellllsssss like the best release evah!

Did Nirvana do that one?
Seriously, however good it is, that's a product of all the help you guys have given me. Many thanks.

> Although I am still waiting for a fsr network tool to select a wireless network, input the optional key, click connect.....done

Oh, I'm going to need your help doing that one. If you have any thoughts on it, or if you can tell me which commands you would use to do that in a terminal, I'll dress it up pretty. (or at least make it functional) I assume your desire is to have something that will do the job and not gobble up a big chunk of memory the way wicd does. I'd be happy with that.
Tell me what fonts you like, and I'll take a look. I kinda like Free Sans (I think that's what it is.) Wingnuts might be appropriate.
Hinting: Maybe it's my eyes, but Slight/None is easier to read than Medium/Full hinting. If more eyes will report on this, I'll go with the majority. OK, I put on a pair of glasses, and I can see why you asked for this.
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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:47 pm

Sorry I haven't yet installed (and probably won't install) beta3 - got tired of setting things up over and over. I decided to wait till wheezy goes stable to sort things out. In the meantime . . . trying to accomplish some minor upgrades to older hardware.
nadir

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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:33 pm

> meandean wrote:

> > 4) # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history

> is that different than using the up/down arrow keys ?

Puh, i only need a few trick in cli.
I think, but might be wrong:
up/down keys scroll through history
the alternate mapping will give you the history of the next command which started similar
i type
m
it will give me
mount /media/disk
make
more
etc.
For me it is an easy way to access a long command i typed half an hour ago.
meandean

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## Re: refracta-wheezy-beta3 bugs

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:34 pm

> nadir wrote:For me it is an easy way to access a long command i typed half an hour ago.

I will have to play with it and see what it does and some of the other stuff in inputrc looks cool too
I usually up arrow a million times or use the history command with some grepping. I have never made myself learn the history command and options...sadly
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