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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:10 am

To put it more clear:
for me without Dean there is no refracta.
no need to throw the baby away...with the bathwater, but i see problems (for me).
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:52 pm

So you rather that the refracta project be closed instead of someone else taking it over?
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:28 pm

> meandean wrote:So you rather that the refracta project be closed instead of someone else taking it over?

I think the more appropriate question is "What do you want to do with it?" And apparently your answer is that it should continue under the leadership of fsmithred.
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:42 pm

> no need to throw the baby away...with the bathwater, but i see problems (for me).

and by that i said two things:
a) i did not speak of closing anything
and
b) i doubt it is possible to go on with it the way it has been
(or still is).
I said: i see problems.
I didn't say: i don't see solutions or options.
But what i don't see is an easy solution like:
i give up and let someone else go on with it.
on a side note i tested the old how-to-autologin&startx-without-login-manager today and it did work (on squeeze).
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:17 am

Nadir,
I think I feel the same way about it as you. There's no way I can fill Dean's shoes, but I think we can keep this thing going. I'll have to look over the list of stuff to do for the current version and figure out where we stand with all of that. I just did a reinstall of my big hard drive, and I need to do some more work on that before I can get my email again, but I'll start a discussion about what's on that list, and we can figure out what to do about it. I also plan to bug Dean for guidance once in awhile.
Before Dean handed me the keys (like for the past month or so) he's been gently pushing me to do an xfce version of refracta. I'd like to do that. I have some ideas, and I think the next version might not be for Aunt Martha; it'll be for us. We're not gonna wait two years. I vow to get you up off your couch and trying new builds.
fsr
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:31 am

> fsmithred wrote:Nadir,
> I think I feel the same way about it as you. There's no way I can fill Dean's shoes, but I think we can keep this thing going. I'll have to look over the list of stuff to do for the current version and figure out where we stand with all of that. I just did a reinstall of my big hard drive, and I need to do some more work on that before I can get my email again, but I'll start a discussion about what's on that list, and we can figure out what to do about it. I also plan to bug Dean for guidance once in awhile.
> Before Dean handed me the keys (like for the past month or so) he's been gently pushing me to do an xfce version of refracta. I'd like to do that. I have some ideas, and I think the next version might not be for Aunt Martha; it'll be for us. We're not gonna wait two years. I vow to get you up off your couch and trying new builds.
> fsr

ok, i understand you.
Someone hears me still mosering and grousing in the background?
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:05 pm

> nadir wrote:Someone hears me still mosering and grousing in the background?

I hear you all the way over here.
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:05 am

lol.
I still am, but here is my proposal:
a) keep the actual version online (actual is the blueish gnome, called 6.03)
hope for Dean to come back as the main dev.
b) start thinking about how we want it to be.
make that as a second, the community, version.
Ideas and wishes could go here: 6-0-4-wishlist-t10.html
I got old refracta-version of e17 and with icewm. Probably some with gnome too.
We ~might~ also take some of them as a starting point.
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:43 pm

> nadir wrote:a) keep the actual version online (actual is the blueish gnome, called 6.03)
> hope for Dean to come back as the main dev.

As reasonable as that sounds to me:
it is the non-refracta way of doing it.
The refracta way is to create a perfect release, leave it online for a while, and then remove it altogether and start from scratch.
I told you no one is able to walk in those shoes.
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## Re: refracta is dead....long live refracta

Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:42 am

that is the old refracta way....
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