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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:32 pm

I've thought about a refracta-light release, and I think the jessie-sysv with openbox was somewhat in that direction. I kinda like that openbox build, and if xfce moves toward gnome3 in its design, then I might switch over.
I've also thought about switching over to qt apps instead of gtk. I haven't checked lately, but wasn't lxde switching to qt? Oh, let me google that for me... lxqt.org exists. Can't say I know anything more about it or if it would fit our needs.
Next version of refracta might be a skeleton installation with the snapshot/install tools, a few tweaks (like inputrc, kernel.sysrq, runlevel 3, etc.) and package lists of "This is what we used to put into refracta..."
A do-it-yourself kit. I think I've been threatening that for over a year. Lemme finish the xfce build first.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:41 pm

A couple of deb-multimedia packages managed to escape my purge.
In both i386 and amd64 isos, librtmp1 can be replaced with

Code:
  `apt-get install librtmp1=2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1`

If you try to remove it first, it'll want to take other stuff with it.
And in the amd64 only, moc can simply be removed and installed again.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:12 am

> There is some very disturbing info on what's coming down the pipes in that thread.

Yes. Gtk3 comes with gnome3 baggage. Gnome3 development is entwined with systemd.. but if gtk2 will be no longer maintained, gtk-based xfce and mate have no other options.
I got more reasons for supporting Trinity Desktop (they forked qt3) other than simply liking it's style.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:30 pm

The scripts for mount/unmount iso files in the Thunar custom actions no longer work. I tried replacing fuseiso with archivemount, but it didn't work. I switched it to fuseiso9660, which doesn't automatically create the mountpoint. Here are the revised scripts. You'll need to install fuseiso9660. (Note: refracta2usb-2.x still uses archivemount, but only to look inside the initrd.)
/usr/local/bin/mountaniso
https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/86cba789ce730d70a346
/usr/local/bin/mountuniso
https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/2739714481ebae2a0451
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:47 pm

The amd64 build does not have autologin. For the i386, I had to set autologin timeout to 1 second to get it to work. Forgot to do this on the amd64.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:02 pm

My lenovo laptop (intel core2, 1GB ram) now has refracta8 installed. It's mostly all good, just minor things not working right which are simple to fix and apps I need missing.
Ram usage is ~140 after stopping all wicd processes and daemon. My TDE systems behave similarly. However I have now installed gvfs (works as expected) which uses memory.
I need something simple and light to switch laptop wireless connections, wicd is now suspect. Got devuan's "netman" (simple-net-aid?) on another machine which works ok.
Benchmarks are difficult to take, a new clean install doesn't stay that way for long. Anyway, thanks for this fine new system.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:51 am

> I've also thought about switching over to qt apps instead of gtk. I haven't checked lately, but wasn't lxde switching to qt? Oh, let me google that for me... lxqt.org exists. Can't say I know anything more about it or if it would fit our needs.

They are switching for reasons already discussed (gtk3). If you want to try (works here), siduction repos have jessie backports https://wiki.debian.org/LXQt

Code:
  `# apt-get install lxqt -d
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  The following extra packages will be installed:
  desktop-file-utils libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libfm-data libfm-extra4 libfm-gtk-data
  libfm-gtk4 libfm-modules libfm-qt5-2 libfm4 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data
  libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 liblxqt-globalkeys-ui0
  liblxqt-globalkeys0 liblxqt0 libmenu-cache-bin libmenu-cache3
  libnet-dbus-perl liboobs-1-5 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-qt5-1-1
  libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5script5
  libqt5svg5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xdg1 libqt5xml5
  libqtermwidget5-0 libstatgrab9 libsysstat-qt5-0 libxcb-dpms0 libxcb-icccm4
  libxcb-image0 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-screensaver0 libxcb-xkb1
  libxkbcommon-x11-0 libxml-twig-perl lximage-qt lxmenu-data lxqt-about
  lxqt-admin lxqt-common lxqt-config lxqt-core lxqt-globalkeys
  lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-panel lxqt-policykit
  lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-qtplugin lxqt-runner lxqt-session lxqt-sudo
  pcmanfm-qt qterminal qtermwidget5-data system-tools-backends
  Suggested packages:
  libfm-tools nautilus-actions media-player-info libunicode-map8-perl
  libunicode-string-perl xml-twig-tools nomacs quassel quassel-client
  Recommended packages:
  qttranslations5-l10n libxml-xpathengine-perl libxml-xpath-perl obconf-qt
  pavucontrol screengrab smplayer smtube qlipper gucharmap audacioud
  clementine qmmp oxygen-icon-theme gksu xscreensaver gvfs-backends
  The following NEW packages will be installed:
  desktop-file-utils libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libfm-data libfm-extra4 libfm-gtk-data
  libfm-gtk4 libfm-modules libfm-qt5-2 libfm4 libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data
  libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 liblxqt-globalkeys-ui0
  liblxqt-globalkeys0 liblxqt0 libmenu-cache-bin libmenu-cache3
  libnet-dbus-perl liboobs-1-5 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-qt5-1-1
  libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5gui5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5script5
  libqt5svg5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xdg1 libqt5xml5
  libqtermwidget5-0 libstatgrab9 libsysstat-qt5-0 libxcb-dpms0 libxcb-icccm4
  libxcb-image0 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-screensaver0 libxcb-xkb1
  libxkbcommon-x11-0 libxml-twig-perl lximage-qt lxmenu-data lxqt lxqt-about
  lxqt-admin lxqt-common lxqt-config lxqt-core lxqt-globalkeys
  lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-panel lxqt-policykit
  lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-qtplugin lxqt-runner lxqt-session lxqt-sudo
  pcmanfm-qt qterminal qtermwidget5-data system-tools-backends
  0 upgraded, 65 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
  Need to get 16.6 MB of archives.
  After this operation, 51.2 MB of additional disk space will be used.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:05 am

I already installed lxqt in ascii. I'm not impressed. It looks like icewm, but it uses more ram. And I can't shutdown or reboot, but that's probably something missing. And it doesn't see a usb drive when I plug one in. Openbox with spacefm on the same installation sees it ok. I haven't deleted lxqt yet. Maybe a different desktop image would help me get past the ugly. Haven't played with configuration yet, but the utility for settings looks good.
I'm using the xfce build now. I finally switched over from wheezy. Normally, I move up when testing goes into freeze. I'm feeling a bit disoriented.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:52 pm

It's unnecessary for wicd-client to autostart every login, then reside in the tray and gobble ram.
The file responsible is (/)etc/xdg/autostart/wicd-tray.desktop .. renaming it to e.g. wicd-tray.desktop.disabled prevents that. It is then simple (for laptop roamers who multiple wireless configs) to call it as required, from menu or a link on the panel. For wired lan, you don't need it at all.
RE lxqt: I wasn't impressed enough either to actually want to use it. XFCE is good for jessie, we will see what happens with gnome/gtk3. There is no problem installing gvfs from angband.pl if you want integrated removable handling.
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## Re: Refracta-8 (Jessie) based on Devuan

Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:10 am

Speaking of RAM usage of the stuff running in the panel:
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:/home/user# ps_mem.py | grep 'plug\|panel\|volume' | grep -v xfce4-panel
1.2 MiB + 286.0 KiB = 1.4 MiB panel-20-cpugra
1.2 MiB + 285.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB panel-6-systray
1.3 MiB + 281.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB volumeicon
1.3 MiB + 302.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB panel-2-actions
1.4 MiB + 332.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB xfce4-netload-plugin
2.2 MiB + 618.5 KiB = 2.8 MiB xfce4-xkb-plugin
which, if one adds the wicd-client (?) is quite a bit.
It never bugged me though. On the one hand i remove most, not cause of RAM usage but cause it confuses me , on the other hand it's nice to see examples of panel-plugins
(I for one wouldn't even need a panel. The systray is the only thing i care for, and i think there is a solution/app for it without panel, but i didn't try to get the problem sorted: the windows overlapped it, so the systray was kinda useless ).
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