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freedomtokeepworking

- freedomtokeepworking
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## Introduction and wondering where to start?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:05 pm

Hi, I'm the sort of person who uses Debian unstable, reports bugs with reportbug, and sometimes no fixes have come for the issues I've had, so I've kept older versions of some packages / libraries whilst keeping other stuff at the bleeding edge.
I see the chain of dependencies back to systemd as making a Debian system easier to break - e.g. kexec didn't work with systemd, newer versions of udev didn't recognise my mobile handset as a mass storage device, so I removed systemd except for libsystemd0 and have had to go without other packages like k3b, brassero, hplip when there should be workable alternatives (e.g. packages built without sytemd dependencies or alternative dependencies to core parts of systemd).
Where is refracta going in terms of providing such pieces that might eventually find their way into Debian to free applications from dependency on systemd?
fsmithred

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## Re: Introduction and wondering where to start?

Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:35 pm

I'm not certain where we're headed. A few packages have been repackaged by dzz to be free of systemd, but I haven't even had time to try them yet. The current jessie-sysv iso has never had any systemd or libsystemd, and some packages have been held to wheezy versions. As you already know, that limits what can be installed, and it might stop working in the future. I do plan to keep up with that by updating the iso from time to time. Part of the reason I haven't added any repackged packages is to see how long this keeps working.
Some of the devuan folks are doing the same, and I'm hoping that I'll be able to use some of their packages. I think it's too soon to tell. If you want to try some of dzz's re-packages, you can try his exegnu linux, you can install his packages in refracta, or you can install them in your own debian installation. If you do any of those, please let us know of any issues. (I don't think there's a forum for exegnu, but I don't have a problem with folks discussing it here.)
freedomtokeepworking

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## Re: Introduction and wondering where to start?

Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:01 pm

Thanks, I'll keep looking at what's around.
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