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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:56 pm

Yeah, sure, say what you want to say (same for everyone, of course). I was just happy that someone but me told cynwulf's pet some harsh words. I didn't consider it worth to make an account there, only to say that ... Anyway.

> debian is dead
> ...
> I dont care to invest my time in learning another linux distro tho. There are a few that interest me but I just do not want to put time into them only to find that in a couple years it is systemd/linux. So it will either be what I am already familiar with (debian spins) or it will be BSD and openbsd is my preferred one.

Pretty much the same here. I already had a not used Gentoo install, and so i used that and got stuck. I don't invest any time in it (i got no clue nor interest how openrc works, i can do only the most basic emerge ****, and else i only use the webbrowser, sometimes pidgin and sometimes claws-mail). Well: and, like said above, users of a distro mean a lot to me. Else i don't care for computers.
anticapitalista

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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:57 pm

The nosystemd debs from the http://angband.pl/debian/ site are now available in the antiX testing nosystemd repo.
http://antix.daveserver.info/testing/pool/
mean_dean

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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:05 pm

> anticapitalista wrote:The nosystemd debs from the http://angband.pl/debian/ site are now available in the antiX testing nosystemd repo.
> http://antix.daveserver.info/testing/pool/

Sounds great!
mean_dean

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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:12 pm

> nadir wrote:Else i don't care for computers.

Yea if I am bored and cannot find anything else to play with then I fiddle with computers. Here lately I am bored and the systemd issue looks like a chance to have some fun.

> nadir wrote:I was just happy that someone but me told cynwulf's pet some harsh words.

I never thought about it but he does seem a bit of a parrot. Dunno, I don't pay much attention to him. He doesn't say much that is original, more of a pile-on. At least when called on he doesnt claim to be some guru. I guess I can say he doesn't impress me but doesnt aggravate/bother me either.
Aww cmon and register a username and have some fun...
nadir

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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:25 am

Not really like that, when it comes to computers.
I meant that i only cared for the people i met, not for what a computer can do. I only learned a bit of stuff to have a subject to talk about, if no better subject turns up.
Let me put this very clear: I speak of outsiders, of non-mainstream, of nerds, of individuals. Call it however you want to call it ... where people can be the way they are, not some everyone-is-the-same-kind-of-plastic.
(at pages like 4chan i am not too happy, otoh. Can't say what is the difference, but there is one)
No need to stress that i found a social group like that in real life, so i am not too worried (and i am used to be alone.., so it wouldn't be the end of the world neither).
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Of course for me it was and is a way to learn to speak English too. It is probably half of the fun for me. But if every second user calls me a troll ... (and the other half doesn't seem to have a clue at all ... ).
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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:23 pm

So, we have four places to get non-systemd packages - psycast, angband, trios and exe. How to decide which ones to use? Anyone know if any of these people are talking to each other?
anticapitalista

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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:36 pm

> fsmithred wrote:So, we have four places to get non-systemd packages - psycast, angband, trios and exe. How to decide which ones to use? Anyone know if any of these people are talking to each other?

and antiX
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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:48 pm

> anticapitalista wrote:

> > fsmithred wrote:So, we have four places to get non-systemd packages - psycast, angband, trios and exe. How to decide which ones to use? Anyone know if any of these people are talking to each other?

> and antiX

I thought you said antiX had systemd-login0. Did you get rid of that dependency?
anticapitalista

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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:06 pm

> golinux wrote:

> > anticapitalista wrote:

> > > fsmithred wrote:So, we have four places to get non-systemd packages - psycast, angband, trios and exe. How to decide which ones to use? Anyone know if any of these people are talking to each other?

> > and antiX

> I thought you said antiX had systemd-login0. Did you get rid of that dependency?

Yes. There are 2 iso files available, but more work is needed. I note that 4 apps used in antiX-full depend on libsystemd0 so they need to be repackaged - transmission-daemon, acpi-fakekey, gnome-themes-standard, sane-utils and transmission-daemon.
Hopefully udev can get replaced by a nosystemd version or by eudev
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## Re: 3rd party repos for a jessie install free of systemd

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:22 pm

> fsmithred wrote:So, we have four places to get non-systemd packages - psycast, angband, trios and exe. How to decide which ones to use? Anyone know if any of these people are talking to each other?

I think angband and trios is the more complete and up to date set of packages. At least the last time I checked everything. They are what i use now.
Of course Trios is a distro and are set to release tomorrow. Probably a safe bet, but doubtful they exactly intended to be used by others.
As angband is from a debian developer I do feel pretty confident in those packages and that repo.
I know angband (Adam Borowski) and exe (David Hare (aka dzz)) have run across each other on the devuan mailing list.
I wish devuan would of stopped screaming "FORK FORK FORK" and had instead whispered "hey guys meet over here for nosystemd solutions" but I guess that ship has sailed.

> Hopefully udev can get replaced by a nosystemd version or by eudev

I don't see udev being a showstopper for a jessie spin but I do suspect that jessie+1 will need a udev replacement.
That being said, I think I did replace udev with eudev before and it booted but I have no idea if it actually functioned as it should. Actually if I recall correctly the big problem is that debian packages require udev, so eudev probably was fine but I still couldn't install much otherwise it would pull in udev again. So that solution, probably any solution regarding udev, would require repackaging many things in debian.
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