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nadir

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:03 am

> fsmithred wrote:Deadbeef and yad links are floating around on my hard drive. I hope. They're not in this thread. Come to think of it, the last time I tried to find deadbeef, I only found the debs that I'd previously saved. I'll look around and see what I can find. Deadbeef might have come from Hadret.

Just saying: with all those mediaplayer around, i could easily list 10, is it really good to use the single one not in the repos? (And then, later, not knowing from where it came from anymore).
I am not against it, i only say why i try to avoid such (keeping it as easy as possible).
fsmithred

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:00 pm

> nadir wrote:

> > fsmithred wrote:Deadbeef and yad links are floating around on my hard drive. I hope. They're not in this thread. Come to think of it, the last time I tried to find deadbeef, I only found the debs that I'd previously saved. I'll look around and see what I can find. Deadbeef might have come from Hadret.

> Just saying: with all those mediaplayer around, i could easily list 10, is it really good to use the single one not in the repos? (And then, later, not knowing from where it came from anymore).
> I am not against it, i only say why i try to avoid such (keeping it as easy as possible).

That thought has crossed my mind many times. I much prefer using packages that are in the main repo, and failing that, in any official debian repo. Whenever I've looked at other media players, I found something I didn't like, or they used more memory than deadbeef. I'm willing to take another look. Names are not coming to mind right now, so if you could suggest a few, I'll play with them. Oh yeah, I'll start the list - audacious. I'll take another look at that one. Can't recall if you can make playlists with it. Also, I like the fact that deadbeef has an equalizer built in.
meandean

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:10 pm

I guess it would heavily depend on the features you are looking for and what you do with it.
I usually just give the kids a media player and it handles music as well as movies. Of course it isn't the most feature complete solution but it works for them. So I usually go with totem or gnome-mplayer and be done with it. They are usually just sampling a song to see if they want to add it to their mp3 player or phone anyway so it doesn't matter much.
Heck, anymore we listen to online (pandora or online radio) stuff most of the time so nothing but a browser needed.
If I was going for a music player then I would probably vote for audacious. It seems to suffice.
I do like deadbeef but I do not like having to check for the latest version or keep a repo enabled that I am not sure about so I do not use it anymore.
sticking to gtk apps...in wheezy...a few names to toss....
parole - more of a media player just like gnome-mplayer
exaile - bloaty
aqualung - pretty cool
Then you have the xmms clients and the mpd clients. I usually have niggles with mpd and xmms so I do not care for them.
I will vote for audacious
golinux

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:53 pm

> nadir wrote:Just saying: with all those mediaplayer around, i could easily list 10, is it really good to use the single one not in the repos? (And then, later, not knowing from where it came from anymore).
> I am not against it, i only say why i try to avoid such (keeping it as easy as possible).

I was wondering that myself. It's one of the apps, I'd probably just uninstall so no difference to me.
nadir

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:02 pm

> fsmithred wrote:

> > nadir wrote:

> > > fsmithred wrote:Deadbeef and yad links are floating around on my hard drive. I hope. They're not in this thread. Come to think of it, the last time I tried to find deadbeef, I only found the debs that I'd previously saved. I'll look around and see what I can find. Deadbeef might have come from Hadret.

> > Just saying: with all those mediaplayer around, i could easily list 10, is it really good to use the single one not in the repos? (And then, later, not knowing from where it came from anymore).
> > I am not against it, i only say why i try to avoid such (keeping it as easy as possible).

> That thought has crossed my mind many times. I much prefer using packages that are in the main repo, and failing that, in any official debian repo. Whenever I've looked at other media players, I found something I didn't like, or they used more memory than deadbeef. I'm willing to take another look. Names are not coming to mind right now, so if you could suggest a few, I'll play with them. Oh yeah, I'll start the list - audacious. I'll take another look at that one. Can't recall if you can make playlists with it. Also, I like the fact that deadbeef has an equalizer built in.

Well: if you think it makes sense: cool bean. I got nothing against deadbeef (besides what i said).
I am not much in the gui players. I really just play music, no playlists or equalizer or anything. For me it's xmms2, as it does the job (not cause it's good, it simply plays my music.
From the top of my head (it has been more than a year i used a gui player):
aqualung
alsaplayer-gtk
audacious
were the ones which were small and which i could use without making a course somewhere.
I used alsaplayer-gtk for quite a while, and kinda liked it.
I always liked audacious too.
exaile
amarok
rhythmbox
quodlibet
exaile always crashed on me, and was not small. amarok: no need for a comment. rhythmbox: i recall that in one refracta it was there, and set to a mini-mode. I always assumed it was high on resources, i checked and it wasn't. Some, like quodlibet, i barely am able to use. If i want a gui (no clue why i would want that) i often use vlc or gnome-mplayer, whichever of both is already installed. The advantage of rhythmbox would be the plugins for all kind of services.
Those are the ones in my head. There are probably more, once i hear the name.
I skipped cli players (well: xmms2, mocp and gst123), cause i think it is about a gui player. xmms2 wouldn't be a good choice as i think there is no big userbase (the ones who use cli usually use mocp).
I once saw a list, but i don't think that is the one:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-audio ... users.html
edit: corrected a typo i found.
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fsmithred

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:38 pm

OK, I think I'll go with audacious. I tried that and aqualung, and there are some minor problems with aqualung - it doesn't show up in the context menu if you choose "open with" in thunar. You have to go to "open with other application." And it won't easily play all the songs in a directory. That last one is important to me - I don't let any programs decide where my music files go, and if I want to play a whole album, I don't use a playlist; I just open the directory. It also doesn't show up in the Multimedia menu. I know I could make a .desktop file for it, but I don't feel like doing that.
Aqualung will apparently play podcasts, but I can't figure out how to get it to work. I went to podbean and lifted a few urls, but I'm not getting it to work. (works fine to just use the browser, and I suppose I could download the files and play them.)
And BTW, moc is installed. It's been there all along, but I forget that it's there.
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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:33 pm

I looked at http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/refracta/home_ds.html
I must say how nicely laid out it all is and looks a very "professional" job.
I would like to see a short note on system rescue functionality (IMO refracta is one of the best around) on the front page
Sorry I'm not much good at writing documentation!
golinux

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:56 am

> dzz wrote:I looked at http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/refracta/home_ds.html
> I must say how nicely laid out it all is and looks a very "professional" job.

Thanks for the kind words.

> dzz wrote:I would like to see a short note on system rescue functionality (IMO refracta is one of the best around) on the front page.

Agreed that the content on the index page could use more detail. (And IMO the disclaimer at the bottom should be tucked away someplace else and not front and center.) Perhaps fsr could use some of what I wrote for wikipedia to improve the presentation - remember that's where all this started. Heck, he could use the whole thing. But wikipedia might not allow a duplication if it's on the site.
fsmithred

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:56 am

> golinux wrote:Perhaps fsr could use some of what I wrote for wikipedia to improve the presentation - remember that's where all this started.

Yes, I've been thinking that since the first moment I read it. I'll probably use parts of it, so it won't be an exact duplicate of what goes to wikipedia. It may be a little while before I get all the rewrites done, but I'm pretty sure we'll be finished before wheezy goes stable. Iron out a few more wrinkles, and we can be at rc1.
Then it'll just be a matter of doing some updates and building the final image. Then we'll be done for a couple of years. Except for any new projects we can devise. To keep from getting bored, I thought maybe a minimalist xfce release might be a good idea. Maybe Dean would get a little more involved with that one. And the crappy refracta package installer I wrote could be tweaked to add groups of packages that could add the stuff that's missing from the full version. If I remember correctly, that was the original intent of that script.
meandean

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## Re: Refracta wiki project

Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:50 pm

> fsmithred wrote: To keep from getting bored, I thought maybe a minimalist xfce release might be a good idea. Maybe Dean would get a little more involved with that one.

sweet...how minimal are we talking. Don't forget all about the dependencies of refracta-installer now that it is complex.

> fsmithred wrote:And the crappy refracta package installer I wrote could be tweaked to add groups of packages that could add the stuff that's missing from the full version. If I remember correctly, that was the original intent of that script.

forgot all about that
I would like to play with that as my kids never know what to pick in synaptic and I get tired of them install 300mb of qt libs because they install some kde game...
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